Screaming_Emu
Joe Conventional
Thats been my experience at air beach ball. Lots of conservative former military, but the real crazies usually didn’t serve.
Furlough Estimates
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Thats been my experience at air beach ball. Lots of conservative former military, but the real crazies usually didn’t serve.
roundout
VNAV monitor
Too many bone spurs to pass the medical?
KLB
Well-Known Member
Back to the cowboy hat place?
Autothrust Blue
Welcome aboard the Washington State Ferries
I wish I could like this twice.
tcco94
Future GTA VI Pilot
Well I assume I'll be on this forum less as I go to find some minimum wage job. Turned down by 2 jobs today because of the "uncertainty" of my future and possible recall (?) to Delta. 1 hour after both of those emails I was told I'm getting my furlough notice. If any of you know of any jobs in SLC, let me know. It was a good run!
BEEF SUPREME
Well-Known Member
"The voluntary measures currently on the table just don’t move the needle enough. It’s with this reality that we unfortunately will move forward to furlough 1,941 pilots in October. Letters to pilots hired on or after July 17, 2017, will be sent out later this week. If prior to October we’re able to reach an agreement with your elected representatives to meaningfully spread the available flying among all our pilots at a reduced expense, we can further reduce or avoid those furloughs."
Nearly 2000 pilots and their families are held hostage to extract concessions. Another generation of bitter airline pilots is born.
Nearly 2000 pilots and their families are held hostage to extract concessions. Another generation of bitter airline pilots is born.
I hope DL will at least file for unemployment benefits on behalf of the furloughed pilots like they recently did for many non-contract employees on LOAs. It simplifies things considerably (applying on one's own in GA was a nightmare). It's not much money but a week of groceries is a week of groceries.
Nope, just the generic furlough notice of 30 day vs. 90 day depending on hire date. Flow down is no longer possible.
And of course there is the get out of jail for free card: "in the event a circumstance over which the Company does not have control".
ZapBrannigan
If it ain’t a Boeing, I’m not going. No choice.
Is a reduction in guarantee really a concession?
It's self correcting. When the loads come back, line values increase, and it goes away. In the meantime, the flying is spread around to keep everyone on the property.
You know, like a UNION.
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I can see your reasoning and cannot argue its validity. But on the other side of that coin, does a 15% reduction in guarantee pay for a 75% reduction in revenue?
Plus they can effectively achieve their involuntary reduction in ALV by offering voluntary SILs.
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
Reduction in guarantee is most certainly a concession, which, if it's done as furlough mitigation isn't necessarily a bad thing. If it's done as "cost savings" for the company to prevent furloughs somehow, then it is a really bad thing.
Reducing the AVL (or bid window if you aren't a delta person), could be considered a concession, but I think falls more in a gray area.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
I think this is how our shop is too. It’s the “furlough mitigation” section. The leaves offered were NOT officially furlough mitigation. They were something the company offered and did. If we forecast a furlough, then the furlough mitigation language kicks in. Not sure the exact details, but I think one of the things is reduced guarantee for a certain time to avoid or reduce furloughs. Instead of 75 hr guarantee, maybe 70. Or 65? Not sure how it works.
What’s better: Small pain spread over everyone or very large pain on a small portion of the pilot group?
I don’t like the idea of a reduced guarantee paycut for a certain duration, but if it saves jobs then I’m for it. I remember being in 2012 a 1st yr Bus guy making $44/hr with a pregnant wife, first kid coming. I can’t imagine how hard it would have been to lose a job in a position like that. Today, I would take a reduced guarantee for a fixed time frame if it saves this junior guys job and gives his family some mental peace.
thevideographer
Well-Known Member
I don't see the problem with reducing ALV as long as it's for the specific purpose of preventing furloughs and for a specific amount of time. In fact as a sort-of-senior pilot in my base I would love a reduction in line credit for more days off [temporarily]. It really doesn't make sense to have half the base on reserve sitting around and the other half getting min days off.
bLizZuE
Calling for engine starts en français
It is a weird problem to have - I have not yet been told that, but I imagine it’s coming.
Best of luck to us all.
AAPalmTree
Well-Known Member
Any DL guy have the raw numbers?
9,450 By summer 2021.
what is the current number?
-the number they are basing that on. Minus LCA/MGT etc.
9,450 By summer 2021.
what is the current number?
-the number they are basing that on. Minus LCA/MGT etc.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe Delta already has one of the lowest (if not the lowest) industry value of monthly guarantee for lineholders at 65 hrs.
Dexter
Hop off there, Blonde Ambition Tour
ehhh very rough.
About 11% staffing fluff for leaves, mgmt etc..
“Active” 9450 is about 10,600~ seniority list.
Current list is 14,500 -1806 VEOP - 1941 furlough = 10,753.
Comes pretty close.
As with most things Delta related, you’re wrong. It’s a very wide range that’s typically between 72-84/hrs a month.
There is a minimum guarantee of 65 in the contract, but it’s basically never applicable.
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