ZapBrannigan
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Furlough Estimates
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AAPalmTree
Well-Known Member
I think I have this right.
All pilots within 2,500 of the bottom bid.
-no bid (willing to accept furlough over other 2 options
-1/2 month line
-zero fly line
a more senior pilot has “no bid”
A junior pilot bids zero time or 1/2 month line.
Senior pilot gets furloughed “by choice”
This really puts a gun to the head of the bottom 2,500. The company can easily award all of them zero or 1/2 months. I’m sure most have those bids in out of fear.
roundout
VNAV monitor
The jist, as I understand it, is that people on the bottom of the list can accept a zero time line, thereby moving the furlough "bracket" up the list. If I am misunderstanding, I'm sure an APA pilot will be along soon to correct me.
DeltaAlphaNovember
Well-Known Member
Anyone can bid the ZTL or AML. It does not have to be just the bottom 2500. However if enough junior guys/gals bid either line someone senior to them that did not could be furloughed. According the the LOA for every ZTL line its a 1:1 for saving a furlough. For every AML its a 2:1. ZTL is a non paying line unless you pick up open time. So in essence you will be fighting for the scraps with everyone else. AML is one month on and one month off. The month off is zero pay.
jynxyjoe
Queso King
So if you bid a ZTL you could get canned no matter where you are on the list? That seems so dumb to me what am i missing? I know that's probably hard to answer.
Is bidding a ZTL essentially saying"idgaf, id rather be furloughed than come to work, but I'll stick around if you want?" Thats what it seems like.
AAPalmTree
Well-Known Member
Not really
jynxyjoe
Queso King
Ok. Could you get in a situation where you bid ztl, a pilot junior bids a half time line, and the ztl pilot (who is senior) is furloughed and not the half time line guy?
DeltaAlphaNovember
Well-Known Member
The zero time line allows you to stay employed and you get to keep your medical benefits. Your sick time and vacation time also continues to accrue.
DeltaAlphaNovember
Well-Known Member
I'd love to post the LOA's but I'm not sure if I am allowed to.
jynxyjoe
Queso King
No need, don't post that kinda stuff. I thank you for your time and AA's time helpingme to understand.
AAPalmTree
Well-Known Member
No. seniority for bids are respected.
A senior pilot will always be able to hold a 1/2 or ZTL over a junior pilot. A ZTL and 1/2 can pick up open time (if there is any). A ZTL is not a furlough.
jynxyjoe
Queso King
Very good to hear and thanks.
ZTL can find another job right? That pilot has no obligation to the company?
AAPalmTree
Well-Known Member
The real bad deal here is the bottom 2,500 are almost forced Into bidding 1/2 or ZTL. If the company was only going to furlough 500, now they can 1/2 or ZTL most all 2,500
AAPalmTree
Well-Known Member
ZTL must stay current (recurrent). Im sure the CP would allow other flying.
jynxyjoe
Queso King
Must stay current by picking up open time?
AAPalmTree
Well-Known Member
yes, Landings are own responsibility. Company will keep you in recurrent. You can go to the sim for landings but I don’t see that as a priority for scheduling.
jynxyjoe
Queso King
If you lose currency you lose your benefits essentially?
A more cynical person might look at this as a lower form of reserve life and a filthy act by management to make pilots fight each other for open time.
AAPalmTree
Well-Known Member
dang man, 20 questions. You do not lose benefits. Yes, there will be fighting for open time.
jynxyjoe
Queso King
Sorry, I got into my grievance committee mode there for a second. Thanks for your time I look forward to seeing more details someday.
BigZ
Well-Known Member
When discussed over beers with a buddy last week, it sounded like the intent was to copy and paste some of the Eagle language, but came with twists.
MQ adds zero time (and part time lines, which for us is working half a month a month, not every other month - company can, but hasn't used that one yet in the recent past). Here you cannot be assigned any of these, only voluntary bid it. Think of it as a short term unpaid vacation, if you can afford it. You are still responsible for your portion of insurance.
The furlough mitigation is different, it is offered as a 1 for 1 long term leave of absence. You can check out for 5 years (the company won't touch you for those 5), paying full price for insurance if you want to keep it, and travel bennies for a year. You can elect to come back at any time past a one year mark with a 30 day notice, or sooner than 1 year if the company started recalling. These are awarded based on company staffing needs, and current offerings tell a sad story for NYC and 145 in general.
MQ adds zero time (and part time lines, which for us is working half a month a month, not every other month - company can, but hasn't used that one yet in the recent past). Here you cannot be assigned any of these, only voluntary bid it. Think of it as a short term unpaid vacation, if you can afford it. You are still responsible for your portion of insurance.
The furlough mitigation is different, it is offered as a 1 for 1 long term leave of absence. You can check out for 5 years (the company won't touch you for those 5), paying full price for insurance if you want to keep it, and travel bennies for a year. You can elect to come back at any time past a one year mark with a 30 day notice, or sooner than 1 year if the company started recalling. These are awarded based on company staffing needs, and current offerings tell a sad story for NYC and 145 in general.