Furlough Estimates

Dunno bro, AZ especially PHX is full of midwesterners. It's a huge trap, they love it here and visit and move here in droves. Heat and all.
True story.

Just going to Bashas is like “Oh hey!” “Were ya from?” “Oh, Baraboo SKANSEN” “Oh I’m from Madison” “YOOH just can’t find cheese curds here can yah?” then some rando is like “SKANSEN? I’m a flat lander from Chicagah so you both probably hate me”

And I’m like “Ok, I just want to pay for my groceries before some ridiculous Happy Days re-enactment breaks out...”
 
True story.

Just going to Bashas is like “Oh hey!” “Were ya from?” “Oh, Baraboo SKANSEN” “Oh I’m from Madison” “YOOH just can’t find cheese curds here can yah?” then some rando is like “SKANSEN? I’m a flat lander from Chicagah so you both probably hate me”

And I’m like “Ok, I just want to pay for my groceries before some ridiculous Happy Days re-enactment breaks out...”

snowbirds. Uggh.

“yes we annually vacation here at our Snobsdale getaway, we’re practically native Arizonans, just like you!”

“shut your damn mouth.”
 
The thing that leaves me scratching my head is the WARN Act (NY State, specifically) requires a 90 day warning of "closures and layoffs to workers, employee representatives, the Department of Labor, and local workforce development boards." But as far as I know, only the pilots at Delta have received such warning.

According to their notification to the NYDoL, Delta identified 818 affected employees.


That would only include NY based employees.
 
snowbirds. Uggh.

“yes we annually vacation here at our Snobsdale getaway, we’re practically native Arizonans, just like you!”

“shut your damn mouth.”

Snowbird + Nextdoor.com is “hilarious”

Every winter when the octogenarian snowbirds come down, there’s a “suspicious looking black person walking the sidewalk” then it’s usually “BITCH, I LIVE HERE!” :)
 
I don't know about you guys but I'm thinking its a great time to jump from a regional to the bottom of the list a freight operator. It's like nothing bad can happen at all. And if you don't want to do that you can find a unicorn in a golden field of grain at a part 91 job where you'll be treated like royalty. Or even better a home based 135 operator where I hear they are paying NBAA top tier salaries. It's a goldmine of opportunity. A gold mine!!!


The Conference Board Economic Forecast for the US Economy

Updated July 8, 2020:

With first quarter 2020 GDP down to -5.0 percent (annualized) over the last quarter of 2019 the National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER) recently declared that the US economy officially entered recession in February. Given the timing of COVID-19 pandemic and the ‘lockdown’ seen around the country, however, we expect to see a much deeper contraction in Q2 with the worst pain concentrated in April.

May and June, fortunately, showed a solid rebound as the economy began to come back online. However, recent spikes in cases in various parts of the country are a cause for concern as they delay further reopening and may result in new lockdowns in various states. Presently, under our baseline scenario, we do not expect a large second wave of cases to sweep the country in the autumn, but do expect weak consumer demand due to persistently high unemployment and the expiration of various government stimulus programs.

The Conference Board currently has three recovery scenarios for the US economy. Our base case forecast, which we call the ‘Double Dip’, includes a second quarter GDP contraction of nearly 40 percent (annualized). This large drop is driven by a fall in consumer spending of nearly 40 percent, a drop in real capital spending of just over 30 percent, and a fall in exports of more than 50 percent (all annualized). Following a large rebound of over 20 percent in Q3, we expect growth to slow to around 1 percent in Q4 which will bring the December 2020 level of economic output to about 93 percent of what it was a year earlier.

Based on our updated forecast, US GDP will contract by 7 percent for 2020 on the whole. However, upside and downside risks for the economic recovery remain. In the event that COVID-19 is rapidly brought under control, unemployment could ease further, and consumer confidence could rise, resulting in a stronger ‘Swoosh’-shaped recovery which brings the economy back to pre COVID-19 levels of output by the end of 2021. On the other hand, a large second wave of COVID-19 cases in the autumn that results in widespread economic lockdowns could yield a weaker ‘W’-shaped recovery that would hurt fourth quarter growth and extend this economic crisis into 2021.
 
Why would any of us hope for that? I think some of us have studied the history of this industry, have experienced the history in this industry, and pay acute attention to the economy and the markets.
Has this ever happened in our industry before? A lot were already wrong on their opinions 3 months ago and coming back to say what will happen next. Hell many have been wrong about the markets, even those who pay acute attention.
 
Has this ever happened in our industry before? A lot were already wrong on their opinions 3 months ago and coming back to say what will happen next. Hell many have been wrong about the markets, even those who pay acute attention.

Seems to me that I was right. Furloughs announced already en masse. And you realize that the stock market isn‘t “the economy,” right? But hey, keep your head in the sand. No skin off my nose.
 
Seems to me that I was right. Furloughs announced already en masse. And you realize that the stock market isn‘t “the economy,” right? But hey, keep your head in the sand. No skin off my nose.
He literally just said you guys pay "acute attention to the markets" (LOL, ok?) and so I reply to that and then get a response "the markets aren't the economy kid"??? What? I'm replying to what is presented to me.

My head isn't in the sand pal. I've said I was going to be furloughed back in March. I've been applying to jobs for months while some of my counterparts sit around and say this will all be fine.

I don't really think you were right though, it rebounded a lot faster than your projected numbers.(Which of course will probably come back down and be W shaped). I know you won't admit that though. That's sort of the issue though, anytime someone tries to be a little positive around here it's squashed as ignorance, covering your eyes, and naive. Which isn't surprising many who are doing this have no skin in this game anymore.
 
He literally just said you guys pay "acute attention to the markets" (LOL, ok?) and so I reply to that and then get a response "the markets aren't the economy kid"??? What? I'm replying to what is presented to me.

My head isn't in the sand pal. I've said I was going to be furloughed back in March. I've been applying to jobs for months while some of my counterparts sit around and say this will all be fine.

I don't really think you were right though, it rebounded a lot faster than your projected numbers.(Which of course will probably come back down and be W shaped). I know you won't admit that though. That's sort of the issue though, anytime someone tries to be a little positive around here it's squashed as ignorance, covering your eyes, and naive. Which isn't surprising many who are doing this have no skin in this game anymore.

We’re actually saying it’s going to get worse again before it gets better. That’s in the short term.

The long term repercussions are what’s scaring me right now. That’s why I would be very hesitant to leave a regional where I had a lot of seniority for another better airline but where I’d have zero seniority.

The shrinking GDP is going to hurt everyone yes even FedEx eventually. There is a glut of freight now, but it won’t last forever. The rapidly contracting world economy is going to hurt us for many years going forward.


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We’re actually saying it’s going to get worse again before it gets better. That’s in the short term.

The long term repercussions are what’s scaring me right now. That’s why I would be very hesitant to leave a regional where I had a lot of seniority for another better airline but where I’d have zero seniority.

The shrinking GDP is going to hurt everyone yes even FedEx eventually. There is a glut of freight now, but it won’t last forever. The rapidly contracting world economy is going to hurt us for many years going forward.


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I have no argument against that. And I agree it will get worse. Just wanted to point out Todd hasn't been right about everything over the last few months. No hard feelings for the Repub.
 
I had a meeting about ten days ago with GA senator’s chief of staff. Let’s just say I don’t expect anything to happen any time soon.
They (not unlike you) are pretending that this is not a thing and that everyone should just merrily go back to work, despite (for example) Texas having the single deadliest day since this started.
 
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