First Day

Thanks Dak...

The night landing did go well...knocked out 7 of 'em...I actually had more of a problem lining up than I did judging my height for the flare...which is what I am told is one of the more tough things with night landings. It was fun...although the poor flight safety guys were bunching up a bit in the pattern (1 cessna 150 + 6 piper seminoles - an open control tower = craziness).

I'm sure I'll see you around...I try to have lunch with the boss lady once a week or so...so eventually we'll bump into each other, I'm sure...

Have fun with those manuevers....(or is is manure-vers?)
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hey, i'm back up and running. had a family matter i had to deal with over the past week or so. so i'm starting back into multi training. finished mu multi ground school, had to take the exam late but i did pretty well and thats all done with. had to know all the systems, draw the fuel system, janitrol heater, vents, drains, available/execess thrust problems, performance charts and all that good stuff. now i just have to finish the flying part, which should only take a couple or few weeks. i'm only flying once a day because i entered into the CRM (crew resource management) ground school. although i can't start CRM group sim training until i finish the multi PPL/IFR add on. don't mind overlaping cause i want to get htis done and i want to see what the CRM is all about. my insturctor said we'd practice it together while i'm finishing up the multi. guess a lot of calling out and stuff while you fly. so that all starts tomorrow. been studying my manuevers for the seminole....want to be slick in that thing cause the twins cost a butt-load to fly. well, i'll get back to ya when i get into the CRM a little more. its only a week course so i should have some good stuff to tell about.
 
first day of CRM was pretty cool. it seems like its going to be a really good course to take. they really drill procedure, communication, talking out loud, and all that good stuff. i'll tell more about it when i get mor into it. we only have a 4 day class, but we get like 40 hours or so in the AST hawk sim. supposed to be real scenerio flights, 4 hour blocks with 3 hour flight times. its on the premesis that we know the basics of flying and what not, but they want to make us practice the real life scenerios (only in a sim). they've taught us to fly and rattle off information, now they make us apply it in a crew style situation. anyway, it sounds sweet. can't wait to get more into it. i'll try to post some more later
 
CRM class turned out pretty good. went over a bunch of ntsb reports, past accidents and what not. stayed pretty basic, the real learning in the CRM module is in the sim. 40 hours of dual crew flying.have to treat it like a real commercial flight. have to know a set call out list for each scenerio, along with Cap't and F/O resposibilities. all the crazy stuff the pro's do! i've heard people have a whole lot of fun with it. i'm supposed to start it next friday, cause i'm still trying to finish my multi add-on.
 
hey, if anyone has any questions feel free to ask. i'm only up to mid way in my multi training, so if you have any questions about the about private license, instrument, CRM, or multi here at Panam i'll try and answer them for ya.
 
Firstly, all your insight into Pan Am has been most helpful. And I agree completely with you in that what you put in is what you get out. I have in the past failed a subject and really hated the lecturer for it and the course in general, but when really it was my fault. Maybe some of the people that way are feeling the same way.. I dunno.

ANYHOW... I plan to start at a flight school about this time next year, possibly Pan Am Ft Pearce, I kinda been put of the Phoenix campus from the reports I have read on here.

Can you please find out for me what the "Conditional Employment" terms are? and do you know how many graduates % get a job with one of their affiliated airlines? Also what % of graduates go on to be instructors there? (ie to get their 800hrs to apply for the regionals)

If you can find all that out, I'll buy you lunch if I see you.. who knows you might be teaching me! /ubbthreads/images/icons/grin.gif
 
i'll see what i can dig up for you on those questions. they seem to be very popular things people want to know, and with good reason.
 
i'm real sorry i haven't given a response to those questions. recently had a family emergency to attend to and things have been kind of crazy. i'm back up in Buffalo at the moment dealing with all of that.

as for before i left:
finished the CRM sim training, its a really good course to have. you get to practice the two crew concept and also get a lot of emergency scenerio training. the kind of stuff you hear of happening but can only be practiced safely in a sim. i thought that was one of the major advantages of the training. of course being put in the situation of captain and first officer really strengthens you skills when combating problems in the cockpit, and being able to communicate with the other pilot to make decisions and paths to fix potentially fatal situations. i really like going through the training, it made me more confident when i go and fly the seminoles. the instructors who helped to design the course did a really good job, they modled it after some of the major airline CLR/CRM courses, and they take pride in the way they've done it. its always good to have instructors who have a vested interest in what they're teaching. side note: they may be changing up the pricing on the course, i'll let you know if i find out anything about that.

also took my multi private/inst. FAA check...yeah, that sucked. got my first pink slip. i just screwed that up royal, i let the situation dictate what i was doing and went away from what i was trained to do. so, my fault, my screw up, my job to fix it. no big deal, i'll just bust it out when i get back to school next week. you know its a bad day of flying when you screw up a GPS approach. ouch!
 
You wanna see some REAL CRM, "like the pro's do"?
Then ask very nicely if you can backseat one of the KLM instrument flights, that's REAL CRM or MCC as the "pro's" call it!!!
 
yeah, i've heard a lot of good things about the JAA KLM program and how they work. thing is their being groomed to jump right into the big boys, while the FAA training really just preps you for being an instructor if you get that far. i like how hard it is to get into the KLM program and the benefits that brings with it. wish there was something more comperable to that here in the USA.

oh, by the way....just got back to town and was going through my account for school and i don't think i'll have enough to get through the program! i have to go get that looked at to see if i was calculating everything correctly, but i'm pretty sure i'm doing it right. i'll have just enough money if i do the rest of my ratings with no overages. $60k and not finishing will really suck, considering i've been pretty much on track with things. and they've put ACE ahead of the instructor training, so if i did calculate correctly i'll get ACE but miss out on finishing my instructor ratings...not acceptable. i really want ACE and all, but i NEED my CFI/CFII and MEI. might have a big discission to make. aarrrggghhhhh
 
See how much Pan Am makes now and how much you lose? The ace program is ahead of the cfi for just that reason. Also, don't forget the amount of interest they've drawn off of your loan money-- in their bank account. Then you get hit with the two thousand dollars they will take when you decide to opt out of the ace program to get your cfi ratings and make a living. That one really hurts.
 
ever had a dream, where your trying to tell someone somthing /ubbthreads/images/icons/shocked.gif but they just can't hear you( cuz your mute). You keep trying to tell them /ubbthreads/images/icons/shocked.gif , but they still can't hear you until it's too late. Cuz they got hit by the bus /ubbthreads/images/icons/shocked.gif /ubbthreads/images/icons/blush.gif ( or until something bad happens happens to them.)... ???

" just my little .02 observation of you ( the mute) and the someone ( future students/ current students) " /ubbthreads/images/icons/ooo.gif
 
my situation has less to do with Panam trying to milk me than with a problem i had with an instructor. i had to go through $1880 worth of retraining for things i was never even exposed to that led me to be extremely underprepared to advance past my instrument rating. i really should see what i can do to get some of that money back. i also went a little over on my private costs but that was all me, and it wasn't that much over. still have to make sure i'm looking at things the right way i hope it all works out.
 
Hey Dak,
When you calculate your figs remember that your ground schools have been drawn from your account already. I believe you said that you are only over about 2800 thus far. Even with the new rate increase you should have a bit of padding left.

Hopefully I am not wrong.
 
Hey Dak

I always read your posts to see how your doin, and to me, it seems like you work real hard and are ahead of everyone else- correct me if I'm wrong? So even if your instructor messed up, you shouldn't be close to not finishing in 60 grand!!!!!! I didn't even realize they moved the ace program to before the cfi. OH MY GOD!! There is no way to explain that, other than to suck more money out of you. I can't belive that people are still wanting to go there. Your dreams of becoming a CFI should not be as difficult as they make it. I am shocked at this way of training. I hated Pan Am before all this, words can't even explain what I think of them now. PEOPLE PLEASE- open your eyes, this is not right. Dak continue posting, it's really helping people, soon they will see what will happen to them. I hope everything works out for you, I really do, but I have a feeling that you will uncover that mute button!! and advise against going there.
 
i'm not really aheda of anyone, just pretty much on track. a little behind now because i had an emergency back home and had to leave for a week. i just study as much as i can, and do the best i can. turns out i'll be pretty good on the money thing though, i did forget that the ground schools were already taken out of the account so that was where all my buffer cash was at. i was getting worried for a little bit, shouldn't have said anything until i new what was up. but it got figured out. i really was considering the whole FBO thing for a bit because of what was happening back home, wanted to be there to help and all. but it still doesn't seem like the deal for me. even money wise the only real price difference was due to the ACE training cost. of which i really do want to take ACE, i think it will really help and i hear nothing but good about it from the groups that have taken it. back where i'm from FBO route takes wayyyyy too long, weather and crap fowling up everything. and the cost of aircraft and instructors is not to far off Panam costs. Panam multi time is actually much cheaper than that back home. i still like the set up down here, and i have gotten some great instructors. one problem, but then i was switched to fix it. no biggie. i fly every day, theres lots of other students (learn alot from them), and the program goes really fast. it just came down to it that this is the place for me, i fit in here better.

in the end, if i want/need to go home then in 6 months or so i'll be ready to do that. i can always "pay my dues" up north and work the local FBO's for students and do whatever else i can find. but as long as things keep truckin along here and no major catastrophies happen then i'm pretty settled on my discision to come to Panam.
 
Right on Dak. Hopefully when Eclipse aviation and saphire aviation finally get these micro jets out we will go straight to twin turbine.
 
i still can't get over the 80 pound engines on the eclipse. not to mention the fact that they are based on engines from missle technology. a jet engine lighter than a keg of beer and probably slavaged from a tomahwak cruise missle...now that had to have been an interesting R&D meeting at eclipse.
 
Hey Dak,

I think someone else mentioned that most the Pan Am people get hired by AirNet. They said it like it was a bad thing, but I was reading a couple of articles on AirNet and it seemed a pretty cool place to work. They say within 8 months you could be flying right seat in a Learjet and the left seat about a year after that.

I dunno about the other airlines but how many of them could offer you a captain position in a jet aircraft after 20 months?

Plus I would think flying a Learjet would be as good if not better than turboprop hours with another airline when it comes to hiring with the majors. Anyone out there have an opinion on this?
 
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