First Day

WTFG!! Dakovich!
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Thats awesome dude!,, so now you are a bonified, certified, excit(itfied)? hehe Private pilot?
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Thats really great, so through all the challenge, late night studying, practicals and ever learning.. youve made it.
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hehe Lesson 2 now eh?
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Tell us about it when you get a chance. :

Tchüß - Jbro.
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well, just finished up my time building section of the program. had to do 35 hours of flying around the state and basically just being on my own in the plane. went to the florida keys a couple times, went to venice, boca raton, etc... went all over and saw alll kinds of different airports. most fun were the little goofy ones that are dotted all over the state. you get to see some of the coolest old planes on those fields. the bigger fields of course have some of the coolest jets and turbines though, fat gulfstreams, and king airs and what not. really gets you wanting to get all this learning over with and start doing. got to talk with a lot of pilots out there also. saw one at boca who got a corporate job flying a citation, he was flying to pick up some guy in south florida, then going to denver to spend a few days. said he gets to go everywhere. also said that he was lucky to take the corporate jop, guess he accepted in right before 9/11 and if he had gone with a regional he would be out of a job right now. he got the job from knowing someone, who knew someone, who knew someone. so i guess thats a good reason to not burn bridges in this industry.

as for the rest of school, i did start into my instrunment class but ended up getting taken out of the ground school. there was a big mess of starting ground school while still trying to finish my PPL and do time building all at the same time. it was rough. found a way to get out of the class cleanly and get some time to relax and get back into everything. when we started i had calculated the difference between starting instrunment when they forced us into the class, and if i would have waited for this next class to start. turns out i was right with what i thought. i should have never started the class to begin with. having waited for this new class i will only be behind by about 4 simulator sessions, and i would have had time to study for PPL, done timebuilding faster, had a week and a half off to pred for the upcoming instrunment class, and been much less stressed. instead i started instrunment, and ended up finishing up PPL and time building half assed.

either way, it all worked out, i got out of the class got some time to study up, go home for a weekend, and relax. i start simulator training tomorrow, and ground school starts this upcoming monday. only a very little bit behind the guys who stayed in the ground school except i am much happier and rested.

so, i am very happy to be here doing all this. very rested after my vacation, and can't wait for simulator training, and ground school. oh, and its getting wicked hot here, so no more ties have to worn around school!!! anyway, i'll try to write more when i get a chance
 
Purdue, why would you leave a respected aviation program to go to a questionable "turn and burn" school? If you're looking for quick, look at ATP or Airman and get some feedback on them. Everything that has been said about Pan Am in this chat has been true. Remember, buyer beware!
 
just got back from my first frasca flight sim. session. man, that thing is so wierd, it doesn't fly anything like the real planes. guess if you master this sim you will really be on the ball when yer in the real thing. it was pretty cool, really makes you scan the instrunments like crazy because the sim is so jumpy. funny thing was that when my instructor put it on level 7 turbulence and a 15 knot x-wind i did wayyy better than when it was simulating calm skies. guess that means i like it rough or something....did i just say that?? anyway, have my next sim on thursday. theres 9 simulator sessions and then a check ride for it. after that i beieve its back to the real hardware. man, can't wait to get this stuff done and really go fly.

went home for a wedding and already started pooling who in my girlfriends(i'll marry her) family knows who that needs a pilot. actually found a couple pretty good ins for some corporate jobs, and a link to someone at American for when that time comes. i sooooo want to start flying bigger aircraft. got to fly in a 737-400 on the way home, and a 717-200 on the way back to orlando. that 717 for airtran was a pretty cool narrow body, i could definetly deal with flying that.
 
just thought i'd give some basic stats on the way our class of 9 turned out as far as getting our private licenses.


well, we started with 9 guys and picked up one mid way through private. so we had a total of 10 guys. 2 guys dropped out, both were really not meant to be pilots...not trying to bag on them but they didn't think the decision to try to be pilots through very well. anyway, we have 8 guys total now. all of us except one is in instrument training, and we all have our PPL except the one guy. he's waiting for his FAA ride as we speak.

as for FAA check rides, i think only 3 of us passed it on our first try.. every other guy passed on their second shot.

for the most part we have seemed to keep right with the cost Panam stated for the PPL program. about $8k-9k.

7 guys were put into instrument class before completing PPL and during the 35 hour time building section. out of those 7 only 3 remain in that class. the rest are in the new class which is already a week old. as for IFR sim. time all 7 are just about at the same lesson, only maybe a 1 or 2 lesson difference between certain students.

another thing to mention is the CRJ simulator's new home at Panam in Fort Pierce is being preped for its arival. supposedly on the second floor of the administration building, guess they are gonna cut away part of the roof and drop it in.
 
sorry, i get caught up in school for and always neglect this chain.

presently finishing up my IFR training by later next week. ground school final is on thursday and i should be real close to having my check ride near then. we're all doing well in our groundschool as well as for the flights. been shooting approaches, VOR, DME, GPS, ILS, etc...its really cool stuff. i think flying IFR is awesome, going through clouds, getting confident with the instruments and relying on them completely and what not. i have to plan a trip from here to Titusville for sunday, so that'll be my first IFR cross country. i'm not sure how many we do but its lesson 19 of 24. so i think we do cross countries up till the end. IFR has gone by super quick, so did the private license. can't wait to get into the multi engines, that'll be sweet. then we get like 80 hours of route flying in them, that will be awesome, going up to New Orleans and back or wherever. its sick how much stuff you learn in such a short time, it really is. its also sick how much studying you have to do, there's lots to know. if anyone has any questions please ask, i'd love to answer whatever i could for you.
 
ok, last day of ground school tomorrow...can't wait to finish that. last day, last test! flights have been going great, only the thunderstorms are keeping me from completing my long distance x-country. i'll try again sunday to get that one done, 250 mile total trip. should be set up for my check ride sometime next week, along with taking the written test. guess you can do one of the instructor IFR tests at the same time because both initial IFR and it are the same. hey, the quicker i get it done the better. got to see the CRJ sim the other day, well, really just got to see the black plastic protecting it. they have put the new sim upstairs in the administraion building and are buliding up classrooms and what not around it for training space. looks like it'll be nice even though its just beams and a little drywall as of now. coming along real quick though. oh, and i finally found something good to do in Fart Piss...opps, Fort Pierce, a bunch of us went fishing off the coast the other day. it was real cool, set some bait, cast into the surf and lay back on the cooler and relax. anyway, should be getting into multi ground school sometime in the near future after IFR training.
 
well, ground school is over as of last week and i got through it just fine. took my FAA writen on tuesday and did ok, not as good as i could have but i passed and i'm ok with that. this sunday i'm supposed to have my last stage check, its the one right before the FAA check ride so i'm studying like a bastard for that today and saturday. after all this is done (hope by this week comming up) i should be moving into the multi engine ground school and add on section. heard the seminoles are pretty sweet, i really want to get into the multi's and see what its all about. oh, and i got a job on campus driving the school van around...pick people up from the airport and goofy stuff. so if anyone is comming in to visit the area i'll most likely be seeing you. anyway, its good to have some positive income from it. alright, i'll get back when i get a chance.
 
Pan Am AVOID AT ALL COSTS !!!!

I was a student at Pan Am (Ft. Pierce) from late Oct. 01 til may 02. I can honestly say that Pan Am will rip you for as much money as they can possibly suck out of your account. I will try to give people general info about the school as well as my story.
At first (when you are not a student yet), the staff is friendly, courteous and very helpful. Everything they say and do is positive and they give a GREAT salespitch. They rely heavily on the "Pan Am" name and push their new facilities and new aircraft.
Once you become a student, you will be scheduled for two events a day. If you are in ground school, you will only have one flight for that day and then attend the ground school. If the groundschool is over, you will be scheduled for two flights a day. In my case, I was up and flying before ever attending a day of groundschool. Also, I started my Instrument groundschool while I was still half way through my PPL course. Trying to study for the PPL Oral and Practical, while flying daily, then attending Instrument ground school and studying for those tests as well proved to be extremely challenging at best.
Once you enroll and Pan Am has your money, if there are any financial problems, you will run into a brick wall. There will be virtually no help at all. There are many students who have disenrolled due to this and a few more who have filed lawsuits as well. Pan Am loves to hide behind their contract, READ IT ALL !!!!
If you disenroll, Pan Am will charge you about $2000.00 extra and it takes 60 days for Pan Am to reissue the remaining tuition back to the lender (why so long?). Pan Am actually sits on this (remaining tuition) money and collects the interest, YOU will eventually have to pay this back to the bank and if you have the full 80 K loan, you do the math. If you call and ask ANY questions about your account PRIOR to the 60 days, you will be treated as a 3rd class citizen and probably told that "it is none of your business" what they do with YOUR money. Trust me on this, I am going through this process as of 6/24/02.
The "briefs" are nonexistant and you do sign a form that says that you WILL be charged a brief for every dual flight even though you may not get a brief every time, then they give you lip service and tell you that some instructors will give you extra time and that will make up the difference...I never saw that happen. My briefs, pre and post, were a total of 10 minutes on average and the post flight brief was usually conducted on the ramp on the way to dispatch as the instructor usually had another student that was already preflighting and ready to go. It is not uncommon to tie down the aircraft and look up and see the next student standing there ready to preflight, even before the fuel truck can get to the plane.
Also, they WILL charge you extra time for "ground" if the briefs run too long..this is usually at the instructors discretion. Of course admin. pressures the CFI's to charge for ALL time spent with the student...compassionate instructors know the real story, thank you to the CFI's who were compassionate.
In my situation, I encountered a personal problem and could not make some flights. Even though I requested not to be scheduled, scheduling put me in for flights anyway. Dispatch and scheduling were scheduling me for flights they KNEW I could not make. When I had to cancel, they charged me for them. The total was almost $1500.00 for the aircraft and "brief" time (multiple flights were charged). When I tried to rectify the situation, I was met with a cold shoulder. They would never give me an answer as to reimbursement. They would not hear my story, look at my documentation, return my calls or answer my emails. Thats when I decided to disenroll from Pan Am.
Now, I have spent almost 10 K on just my PPL. This includes the $1500 they stole from me then there is the additional 2 K that they are charging me for leaving the school. It does add up fast.
The facilities are EXTREMELY nice and new, the rent for housing is incredibly expensive and should be avoided, the aircraft are new and most have operating A/C but who gets to pay for all of that? THE STUDENTS DO !! Bottom line, Pan Am is too expensive. They are greedy and inconsiderate towards those who actually pay their bills. Just remember when you go for your tour, they are putting their ABSOLUTE BEST shoulder forward. It all goes downhill once they get your money. Remember, the tuition is based on a few more hours than FAA minimums, you have to pay for your books ($2000.00 from the PPL starting point), headset and other supplies and your FAA checkrides are out of your pocket ($300 per license/certificate/rating) and not included in the tution. The practical stagechecks can be failed fairly easily as Pan Am seems to hold their students to higher standards than the PTS, which is GREAT and can make you a better pilot but can add up quickly as you have to take the flight or oral over again, depending on which part you failed. Of course you are charged for the flight and the brief.
ALL IN ALL...I would NOT recommend Pan Am to any one that wants to become a professional pilot and live on a small budget. They WILL rape you.
 
Really confused now

I am trying to decide on a flight school, and I have visited Pan Am, Flightsafety, Comair, ATA, and Gulfstream. Pan Am by far has the best training equipment and facilities.They also have a money back gurantee for the ACE program. Gulfstream has the best multi-engine time building with 310 hours in a Beech 1900D, but I hear horror stories about how they treat thier pilots, and how cheap they are, as far as maintenance and safety goes.
Flightsafety will take too long (up to 3 years to build time) and there is currently a waiting list to become a CFI there.( another 3 month delay) But I liked the aircraft and campus, and everyone I spoke with (I pulled asside some students and instructors) seemed like great people.
ATA had the CRJ simulator like Pan AM, but their facility was small and crammed full of students who seemed to be waiting for simulator time. They do have a price gurantee, if it takes you more time to complete a rating, there is no charge.
Comair didnt impress me, and seeing as how they are buying 27 CRJ's this year, they dont even have the CRJ simm. So I am completely confused. /ubbthreads/images/icons/confused.gif All of these schools cost close to the same within $5k. I guess I have to choose the one I feel most comfortable at. Anyone out there have any words of wisdom?
 
Re: Really confused now

I feel really bad for people that feel like they have been wronged by Pan Am. I am not going to go into my whole story about the school. I will tell you this though, Pan Am kept every promise and I have been very satisified with my experience here. Sure, there are some downfalls, but every school has some shortcomings. I didn't finish in the timeline like they said which didn't surprise me. I didn't expect to be done as fast as they said. I did receive excellent instruction, flew beautiful planes, and really enjoyed my experience. The groundschool left a little to be desired. There are always two sides to every story. In my opinion, Pan Am is a great school. I'm glad I came here.
 
ANYWAY.......

had my final stage check today for IFR training, it went really good i thought. one goofy thing with being a little to high when intercepting an ILS but no biggie. i corrected for it and made it ok. have my FAA check scheduled for this monday comming up, can't wait to get that over with. kindda got a bit behind because of some instructor issues, but they resolved that for me and i've been doin 100 times better these past couple of weeks. really confident now in the knowledge and also flying area of it. it cost me a bit more because i had to review a bunch but i was set up with a really great instructor (99% are GREAT instructors here) that worked me through it all and got me going in the right direction. wish i would have spoken up earlly, could have saved some $$$$. anyway, sounds like after the FAA check they're putting people directly into multi and it seems people are whipping through that...maybe its all down hill finally!!!!! anyway, can't wait to get though all of these ratings and start working so i can get some monster experience flying n stuff.
 
PASSED!!!!! i passed my instrument toady!!!!! started multi ground school this morning and took my FAA IR ride at 1300. took a ride to Melbourne shot the VOR 9r and the ILS 9r, came back did a contact approach to fort pierce and made one of the crapiest cross-wind landings ever. but it was ok enough, examiner said it was ok cause i'm IR now and just have to be good at doing low approaches. he is a cool guy.
 
hey, good luck on that night flying. your wife mentioned to me one day that you were on the site. real nice lady, she saw my badge in the bookstore one day and asked if i knew ya and if i had seen you ont jetcareers. stop me one of these days and say hi if you see me walking around campus. alright, have fun on those night rides, i have to try and memorize all these wacky manuevers.
 
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