Fired!

gtpilot said:
That's almost like saying you'll never fail a check ride! :p Although at a union carrier it is far more unlikely...
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eh...in my opinion those are two separate things entirely. At 99% of jobs of you show up on time with a good work ethic, even if you screw up a couple times, you'll stay employed.

Not saying that there aren't some screw
job employers out there (especially flight school owners) that might fire someone for a less than valid reason. I just believe getting fired is pretty uncommon.

Getting laid off on the other hand is something different entirely.
 
That sounds like rough luck. Happy hunting in your search. Be sure not to let any residual bitterness over getting fired carry into your interviews.

Question: For those advocating having him "resign" as opposed to being fired, for PRIA reasons; how do you know the company will in fact report it as a "resignation"? I can see him going in and saying he's never been fired at an interview, and then they check the records and this place is showing him being terminated. That would screw him royally (at least for that interview).
 
He can check a box on the PRIA paperwork he has to sign at the new employer that will require that he receive copies of everything that is sent to the new employer. If he resigns, and the PRIA paperwork he receives shows that he was instead terminated, then he would have legal recourse.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
I'd just like to point out that this is only true in non-union jobs. If you have a union job, the company is required to provide a termination letter that includes the justification for the termination, demonstrating that it was "for cause." The employee then has the right to grieve the termination and let the arbitrator decide whether the termination was with just cause or not. Unions win roughly 75% of termination grievances.

Another reason to work for a union company.



Bad advice in this business. Resigning is almost always a better option, because PRIA ensures that future employers get your employment history, including the reason for separation.
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PRIA does not cover part 91, and thus flight instructing, jobs.

PRIA only extends to part 121/135 gigs.
 
This is not directed toward the OP, just a general question.

If you are fired and then resign in lieu of being fired doesn't HR look at those the same? In other words, what is the difference between the two besides some personal pride in being able to say "you can't fire me... I quit!"
 
subpilot said:
This is not directed toward the OP, just a general question.

If you are fired and then resign in lieu of being fired doesn't HR look at those the same? In other words, what is the difference between the two besides some personal pride in being able to say "you can't fire me... I quit!"
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It's different in your employee file. If you resign, the only thing in your file is your resignation letter. If you're terminated, a record of that will be in your employee file.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
It's different in your employee file. If you resign, the only thing in your file is your resignation letter. If you're terminated, a record of that will be in your employee file.
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If you've been terminated how can you get that changed to a Quit? Is it dependent upon the employer's good will only?
 
Sorry to hear what happened, James. Just remember, when one door closes---another one opens! I'm sure within no time you'll be posting some exciting news. Positive thoughts coming your way! :)
 
I was fired from a movie theatre job when I was 16, had a blackout that night (alarm clock blinking 12) and slept through a shift. The boss didn't like me because his daughter did. $4.75 /hr job, (min wage then) no big deal but I still hold a grudge.

Just grab a new job, spring is the time to be looking anyhow. All these furlough guys getting their jobs back open up slots for us as they leave whatever job they were doing to pay the bills.
 
Kristie said:
also, did you complete at least 6 months? if not, then i'd say go back and tell them they can't fire you, you quit...that way, you never have to explain why you were fired.
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Terrible advice. Absolutely terrible. Let them fire you and file for unemployment. If they fight it, they'll have to give the state a reason. If they don't, that will show the next company that you weren't fired "for cause". Problem solved.

JOEFRIDAY2 said:
2. Go ahead and file for unemployment ASAP.
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This.

Whether you want it or get $10 or $500/week, file for it now. If they want to be stupid and fight it, they'll need to give a reason.........and then you take it from there.

jhugz said:
I don't want this black mark on my record so I'm persueing them to let me resign.
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Do yourself a favor. Don't. Let them fire you. Get your unemployment.

ATN_Pilot said:
Another reason to work for a union company.
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Yeah, I'm sure lots of flight schools are going to get ALPA on property tomorrow. :rolleyes:

This isn't the place or time for politicking.

Bad advice in this business. Resigning is almost always a better option, because PRIA ensures that future employers get your employment history, including the reason for separation.
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Uh...
ATN_Pilot said:
I thought part 141 schools were also covered? Been a while, so I could be wrong.
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No.

Rudabega said:
Just grab a new job, spring is the time to be looking anyhow. All these furlough guys getting their jobs back open up slots for us as they leave whatever job they were doing to pay the bills.
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Exactly. You'll be fine, man. From what has been written, sounds like you're better off without them. Get your unemployment going and start looking for something else. There's an absolutely wonderful (sarcasm) place in AKR looking for CFIs right now. I'd avoid it, but for a short stay it may not be that bad if you're just looking for something to fill the gap.

-mini
 
minitour said:
There's an absolutely wonderful (sarcasm) place in AKR looking for CFIs right now. I'd avoid it, but for a short stay it may not be that bad if you're just looking for something to fill the gap.
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I would rather work the drive thru then fly for that operation. Thanks though. :)

The support on here has been fantastic. Thanks all.
 
If someone can brush me up on what an employer can and can't say and how this can affect me in the future I would appreciate it.

I feel like 50% of you is saying to try and pursue the resignation and another 50% are saying to collect the unemployment. ARGHH!!
 
jhugz said:
If someone can brush me up on what an employer can and can't say and how this can affect me in the future I would appreciate it.

I feel like 50% of you is saying to try and pursue the resignation and another 50% are saying to collect the unemployment. ARGHH!!
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Mini makes the most logical sense. Think about it...if they give you unemployment, you were not fired for cause. If they fight it they have to tell you why...and you can dispute it. Mini's comments make the most sense of any I've heard.
 
Collect. Then when it's brought up "well, they wouldn't give me a reason why they fired me but I did get approved for unemployment compensation". The person in charge of hiring you at that interview will understand.

Or "They said ___ when they tried to dispute my claim for unemployment, which I was approved for."

Sounds a lot better than "I quit a crappy CFI job because (insert what will be taken as an excuse, which you don't want)".

-mini
 
minitour said:
Collect. Then when it's brought up "well, they wouldn't give me a reason why they fired me but I did get approved for unemployment compensation". The person in charge of hiring you at that interview will understand.

Or "They said ___ when they tried to dispute my claim for unemployment, which I was approved for."

Sounds a lot better than "I quit a crappy CFI job because (insert what will be taken as an excuse, which you don't want)".

-mini
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Thanks bro really appreciate the advice.
 
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