Fired!

[Tld]

Bosses hate selfish employees!

Ya know what else bosses hate? Self-righteous employees.

Forum rule reminder, you never know who may become your chief pilot someday. Right now, as someone with a little say in pilot hiring, I generally frown on troll-ism. easy gliderboy.

Jhugz, they don't have a leg to stand on, be glad you don't have to work for them anymore, something better will come along, hang in there.

 

[jtrain609]

As usual, Waco said it way more eloquently than I could have.

It's because he hates America. In order to sell something so dastardly, he's gotta be smoooooth.

 

[SlumTodd_Millionaire]

If you've been terminated how can you get that changed to a Quit? Is it dependent upon the employer's good will only?

Pretty much. Most of the time they'll let you resign, unless you did something that angered them so much that they want a termination on your record to harm your chances at getting another job. Some employers can be pretty vengeful.

Since I've already earned the contempt of so many JJ'ers for my attitude towards work, let me be the one dissenting voice — you got what you deserved!

Put yourself in your boss' place. He's probably hanging on by his fingernails in this terrible economy. The company is everything to him. When you came to his company looking for a job he took a huge chance and gave you a job. Were you happy to get the job? Did you take pride in telling your friends that you had been hired as a professional pilot? Were you stoked to have those paychecks coming in to pay your bills? I'm sure you were.

Now, the company is in trouble. Everyone has to suck it up and pull together to keep the company going. The boss asks you to help them out and work a day or two for free, and you pull an attitude on him. "Oh no, you can help me when I need help and I need a job, but I'm not going to help you." That's what your boss hears. A spoiled kid with an attitude who has no clue about how tough it is to run a business. (Or how tough life can be.)

It's called give and take. It's the difference between succeeding in life or being one of the losers who can't figure out why they're always unemployed or doing some junk job. They really don't get it! They can't figure it out! And these are the people who think their time is so valuable--the losers!

Bosses hate selfish employees! They watch their employees like hawks. Who picks up that piece of trash on company property? Who walks past it? Who picks up a broom to sweep up even though it's not their job. The boss is watching all that. That's how he got to be the boss, by working harder than everyone else.

If you're grateful for you job, act like it.

There were days when I flew for free for our air tour company, like when the airline pilot who wanted to work for us (and who was bragging about his 40,000 hours) wrecked one of our planes. Or when the weather wiped out our best season. When the company needs you, you step up, or step aside.

But, hey. If your time is so valuable you can certainly start your own company. Go ahead. Try it.

On a calmer note, look on your firing as a learning experience and an opportunity to move on and do something else. Five years from now you may look back on it as the best thing that ever happened to you.

Good luck.

People like you are the reason I went into union work. Thanks for reminding me.

 

[minitour]

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Love the new avatar.

-mini

 

[Roger, Roger]

This:

Since I've already earned the contempt of so many JJ'ers for my attitude towards work, let me be the one dissenting voice — you got what you deserved!

Put yourself in your boss' place. He's probably hanging on by his fingernails in this terrible economy. The company is everything to him. When you came to his company looking for a job he took a huge chance and gave you a job. Were you happy to get the job? Did you take pride in telling your friends that you had been hired as a professional pilot? Were you stoked to have those paychecks coming in to pay your bills? I'm sure you were.

Now, the company is in trouble. Everyone has to suck it up and pull together to keep the company going. The boss asks you to help them out and work a day or two for free, and you pull an attitude on him. "Oh no, you can help me when I need help and I need a job, but I'm not going to help you." That's what your boss hears. A spoiled kid with an attitude who has no clue about how tough it is to run a business. (Or how tough life can be.)

It's called give and take. It's the difference between succeeding in life or being one of the losers who can't figure out why they're always unemployed or doing some junk job. They really don't get it! They can't figure it out! And these are the people who think their time is so valuable--the losers!

Bosses hate selfish employees! They watch their employees like hawks. Who picks up that piece of trash on company property? Who walks past it? Who picks up a broom to sweep up even though it's not their job. The boss is watching all that. That's how he got to be the boss, by working harder than everyone else.

If you're grateful for you job, act like it.

There were days when I flew for free for our air tour company, like when the airline pilot who wanted to work for us (and who was bragging about his 40,000 hours) wrecked one of our planes. Or when the weather wiped out our best season. When the company needs you, you step up, or step aside.

But, hey. If your time is so valuable you can certainly start your own company. Go ahead. Try it.

On a calmer note, look on your firing as a learning experience and an opportunity to move on and do something else. Five years from now you may look back on it as the best thing that ever happened to you.

Good luck.

Meet the Real World:

You've got to stop worrying about what the public thinks, folks. News flash -- Joe Twelvepack working the night shift at Kwik-E-Mart thinks anyone making more than he does is overpaid and underworked, and he's getting the shaft from da man.

What you need to do is take the attitude of professional athletes and Wall Street bankers.

They don't give a rat's ass what the public thinks they should make. They only give a damn about forcing their employer to cough up more money. How their employer makes a profit isn't seen as their problem. They just demand more pay, and because they have skills their employer is wiling to pay for, they get it.

That's the attitude any employee should take. How can I force my employer to pay me more? None of this Office Space crap about "think about the good of the company." The company generally isn't thinking about the good of you, so why should you worry about the good of the company?

Get as much as you can as quick as you can. You are a hired gun, nothing more, nothing less.

You'll probably get laid off or fired sooner or later anyway due to something that you had no power to influence, so why worry?

 

[WacoFan]

I will also add this, from the perspective of someone with a little knowledge of the pilots side of 121 (from JC) and my perspective as a frequent traveler.

I WANT the cockpit unionized.

I want guys that can refuse a flight for whatever reason and have IBT or ALPA or APA or IPA back them up. I want work rules that will keep the guys upfront rested. I want them well paid. I want them to have a satisfying personal life. I do not want to have a bad day because they are having a bad day.

I certainly don't want Gliderboy "doing what it takes" if he is a charter or airline pilot. I want people that can make a decision for the right reasons, and not afraid of punitive actions.

And that is MY perspective as a generally pro-managment airline passenger.

 

[jtrain609]

I will also add this, from the perspective of someone with a little knowledge of the pilots side of 121 (from JC) and my perspective as a frequent traveler.

I WANT the cockpit unionized.

I want guys that can refuse a flight for whatever reason and have IBT or ALPA or APA or IPA back them up. I want work rules that will keep the guys upfront rested. I want them well paid. I want them to have a satisfying personal life. I do not want to have a bad day because they are having a bad day.

I certainly don't want Gliderboy "doing what it takes" if he is a charter or airline pilot. I want people that can make a decision for the right reasons, and not afraid of punitive actions.

And that is MY perspective as a generally pro-managment airline passenger.

Hate. America.

 

[gliderboy]

Definitely not a troll, and I may, or may not, be out of line. But that has always been my attitude towards work and it has served me very well over the years, as I have enjoyed a very interesting and financially rewarding life.

 

[Ian_J]

and financially rewarding life.

Just curious... how so?

 

[Boris Badenov]

Sailing yachts around the Med and flying fighters, duh.

 

[popaviator]

Just curious... how so?

couldn't resist....

 

[juxtapilot]

Couldn't resist....

LMAO. Thank you.

 

[Tld]

I have also had an interesting and 'financially rewarding' life. But more so, I can also say my life has been more even more rewarded by wonderful friends, family, coworkers, and collegues....and I didn't ever have to compromise my integrity, sell out my fellow man, or live under a bridge.

Gliderboy, while it aways makes a forum more interesting to have many different opinions, telling someone they deserved to be fired when they have come to a community of their peers for support and advice is downright disrespectful. And based on your post, I have serious doubts that you have ever been a boss. I have found JC to be a wonderful place full of professionals and novices willing to pay it forward, offer encouragement, support, and advice (and ocassionally a heated back-and-forth or a little joshing). I am not a mod, but I suggest you remind yourself of the rules here...Based on your post & your attitudes at this time, you would not be invited into my living room...and fyi, I consider JC a second home.

 

[Boris Badenov]

Good post, but junior is wasting our time. While I heartily agree that he's a clownish toolbag (on the internet, anyway), doesn't he most richly deserve to reload the thread over and over again and get dead air?

Signing off of this one...

 

[Tld]

Good post, but junior is wasting our time. While I heartily agree that he's a clownish toolbag (on the internet, anyway), doesn't he most richly deserve to reload the thread over and over again and get dead air?

Signing off of this one...

also signing off, said my piece....jhugz, the best of luck, work hard and you'll find something.

 

[Ian_J]

Good post, but junior is wasting our time. While I heartily agree that he's a clownish toolbag (on the internet, anyway), doesn't he most richly deserve to reload the thread over and over again and get dead air?

Signing off of this one...

Interestingly, junior claims to be 50.

 

[WacoFan]

Definitely not a troll, and I may, or may not, be out of line. But that has always been my attitude towards work and it has served me very well over the years, as I have enjoyed a very interesting and financially rewarding life.

There is a significant difference between being a good employee...being conscientious, doing a little extra (particularly to assist fellow co-workers or the shift after you - which I did when I worked menial labor as a kid) and being a positive attribute to your employer.

What you describe is not that. You paint a picture of an employee almost having to give thanks daily for his job and to do lots of tasks for free lest his co-workers will do it before them and get them fired. This would lead to a corrosive environment and limits productivity, innovation and limits the value I would get from people working for me thereby throwing my money down the drain. I am not sure what industry you used these principles to gain such a rewarding life...but I am unfamilar with an industry that would thrive this way.

 

[JoelT]

Sorry bro. We may be comparing apples to oranges here, but a friend of mine was recently terminated from Expressjet after a 16-year career. He was offered the opportunity to resign, but all the pilots he spoke to about it strongly advised him to refuse to resign and take the termination. By resigning, he would have given up every right he might have had to grieve his termination and of course unemployment benefits.

With 16 years at ExpressJet that means your buddy was a '94 hire. There are not too many of those left so, I probably knew him. You mind PM'ing me the details? Also, If my buddy in the Union over there is representing him then I have a good feeling about him getting his job back. As long as you don't lie about it then you could get away with murder at that place. irate:

 

[Qgar]

There is a significant difference between being a good employee...being conscientious, doing a little extra (particularly to assist fellow co-workers or the shift after you - which I did when I worked menial labor as a kid) and being a positive attribute to your employer.

What you describe is not that. You paint a picture of an employee almost having to give thanks daily for his job and to do lots of tasks for free lest his co-workers will do it before them and get them fired. This would lead to a corrosive environment and limits productivity, innovation and limits the value I would get from people working for me thereby throwing my money down the drain. I am not sure what industry you used these principles to gain such a rewarding life...but I am unfamilar with an industry that would thrive this way.

You're a fine one to talk. You do this to your employees daily at Wegougeemandhow Airlines.

 

[jhugz]

Since I've already earned the contempt of so many JJ'ers for my attitude towards work, let me be the one dissenting voice — you got what you deserved!

O rly?

He's probably hanging on by his fingernails in this terrible economy. The company is everything to him.

Must be when he rolls around in two Lexus SUV's just decided to have a kid at the ripe young age of 60 and owns a very nice house right in the middle of the city.

When you came to his company looking for a job he took a huge chance and gave you a job. Were you happy to get the job?

IDK maybe I was qualified for the position, or maybe just maybe I presented the right stuff in the interview. I was happy I got the job because that meant maybe I could put food on the table as a professional aviator. (not the case)

Were you stoked to have those paychecks coming in to pay your bills?

LoLz...I applied for food stamps at one point.

Everyone has to suck it up and pull together to keep the company going.

Typical management B.S. line.

It's called give and take.

Yep it's called I give you a service and I take a paycheck for the service. This isn't the salvation army champ.

They really don't get it! They can't figure it out! And these are the people who think their time is so valuable--the PROFESSIONALS

Fixed it for ya...

Bosses hate selfish employees!

...and employees hate selfish bosses.

There were days when I flew for free for our air tour company, like when the airline pilot who wanted to work for us (and who was bragging about his 40,000 hours) wrecked one of our planes.

Wow...

Five years from now you may look back on it as the best thing that ever happened to you.

bingo...