Fired!

Agree with the unemployment-pursuing advice.

I was on unemployment for 6 months after 9/11 when I was furloughed (the first time) from AA. The unemployment covered my bills, I lived with my parents and did my PPL training :)
 
So Mini's advice seem's solid I'm just wondering how this will likely play out. I go file for unemployment and tell them I was terminated without cause. The paper work goes through and then they get the option to debate it and give cause? Then what...
 
jhugz said:
. Fired today and not given a reason. I know the reason but if used it would have cause some problems for them in the future. .
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You keep talking about "no reason given" and you don't know. But am curious what you mean by this part........
 
MikeD said:
You keep talking about "no reason given" and you don't know. But am curious what you mean by this part........
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Alrighty...

I was told in the sit down that we are just going to part ways. I asked him if it was what I did earlier in the day (will go into in a sec) and he told me no. That was just the tip of the iceberg. So I asked him what is the real reason, explain to me what got me fired. He told me this was not up for discussion and pack my stuff up and leave.

Earlier in the day:

I arrived at 7am to fly and there was frost on the wings. We have been told since November that we were to be thoroughly (sp?) trained on the de-icing equipment. It never happened but I pursued this issue further because I do a lot of early morning flights and I only make the money if I fly. The head mech finally gave in and gave me a quick once over how to operate the machine while at the airplane which I understood. It operates off a small 2 stroke engine. Well I was never shown how to take the cart and attach it to the tug and get it out of its cubby hole. That day I attached it to the tug and went to de-ice. Well little did I know that it is plugged in to keep the liquid warm. Well I pulled an outlet off a wood block and am unsure if I damaged the cart. I decided not to start anything up until the mech looked at it. I made a call to the head mech and head front desk lady right away. The head mech didn't call back in till 1pm so he must not of thought it was a major issue. I was fired later this day.

They would not tell me that I was fired for this though.^

I'm not saying that I'm not at fault for what I did. I should have pursued better training on the equipment and understood it better. I also should have just not operated it. It's just real tough to see a four hour flight go down the drain when my rent is counting on it.

I told them a couple weeks earlier that I will not work for free. They want me to come in on days where I have no students to shovel off snow on airplanes for free. This pissed them off and I'm pretty sure this was the real reason but obviously they couldn't say that.

That were just looking for a reason and got it.
 
Bahahaha.

File for unemployment man, they don't have a leg to stand on.
 
jhugz said:
If someone can brush me up on what an employer can and can't say and how this can affect me in the future I would appreciate it.

I feel like 50% of you is saying to try and pursue the resignation and another 50% are saying to collect the unemployment. ARGHH!!
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An employer can say anything they want- whether it's the truth or a lie, but not without consequence.

Having once been an employer though, it's my experience that MOST employers say as little as possible about former employees- which translates into little more than confirming your previous employment and the start and end date and not giving a reason for separation. Various state, local & federal Privacy laws have a lot to do with this. Giving somebody a bad reference can get an employer in trouble even if it's true, so they tend to want to say as little as possible
 
Well unfortunately, like you said, they were looking for a reason, and you gave it to them. If they're forced to give a reason, they will probably say something like "improper use of company equipment" or somthing similar.
 
jhugz said:
I told them a couple weeks earlier that I will not work for free. They want me to come in on days where I have no students to shovel off snow on airplanes for free. This pissed them off and I'm pretty sure this was the real reason but obviously they couldn't say that.

That were just looking for a reason and got it.
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My first CFI gig was similar - they wanted me to man to desk for nothing when I had no students and I refused. Before that I never thought I would have been happy to get fired! Gotta a lot of respect for you for standing your ground!
 
skydog2 said:
Well unfortunately, like you said, they were looking for a reason, and you gave it to them. If they're forced to give a reason, they will probably say something like "improper use of company equipment" or somthing similar.
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Sounds more like "Inadequate training for the use of company equipment leading to a workplace accident."

Seriously, are you sure you weren't hurt by the accident? OSHA might be interested in hearing that.;)

Proper use and training on proper use of company equipment is pretty important to the government.

-mini
 
They'd be laughed out of court. Make them fire you, make them document it, and if they try to deny you unemployment, laugh when they're slapped around. PS. Now that you're separated, feel free to tell us the name of this awesome place.
 
jhugz said:
Awesome time to loss my job. Fired today and not given a reason. I know the reason but if used it would have cause some problems for them in the future. I don't know what I'm going to do...pretty bummed. Absolutely speechless.
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One door closing usually means there's another opening somewhere.

Sorry about your job, bro.
 
Since I've already earned the contempt of so many JJ'ers for my attitude towards work, let me be the one dissenting voice — you got what you deserved!

Put yourself in your boss' place. He's probably hanging on by his fingernails in this terrible economy. The company is everything to him. When you came to his company looking for a job he took a huge chance and gave you a job. Were you happy to get the job? Did you take pride in telling your friends that you had been hired as a professional pilot? Were you stoked to have those paychecks coming in to pay your bills? I'm sure you were.

Now, the company is in trouble. Everyone has to suck it up and pull together to keep the company going. The boss asks you to help them out and work a day or two for free, and you pull an attitude on him. "Oh no, you can help me when I need help and I need a job, but I'm not going to help you." That's what your boss hears. A spoiled kid with an attitude who has no clue about how tough it is to run a business. (Or how tough life can be.)

It's called give and take. It's the difference between succeeding in life or being one of the losers who can't figure out why they're always unemployed or doing some junk job. They really don't get it! They can't figure it out! And these are the people who think their time is so valuable--the losers!

Bosses hate selfish employees! They watch their employees like hawks. Who picks up that piece of trash on company property? Who walks past it? Who picks up a broom to sweep up even though it's not their job. The boss is watching all that. That's how he got to be the boss, by working harder than everyone else.

If you're grateful for you job, act like it.

There were days when I flew for free for our air tour company, like when the airline pilot who wanted to work for us (and who was bragging about his 40,000 hours) wrecked one of our planes. Or when the weather wiped out our best season. When the company needs you, you step up, or step aside.

But, hey. If your time is so valuable you can certainly start your own company. Go ahead. Try it.

On a calmer note, look on your firing as a learning experience and an opportunity to move on and do something else. Five years from now you may look back on it as the best thing that ever happened to you.

Good luck.
 
gliderboy said:
On a calmer note, look on your firing as a learning experience and an opportunity to move on and do something else. Five years from now you may look back on it as the best thing that ever happened to you.

Good luck.
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Good lord, especially if they're asking you guys to fly for free and get preached at like this.

Is this the corporate environment which you're working under?!
 
Sorry bro. We may be comparing apples to oranges here, but a friend of mine was recently terminated from Expressjet after a 16-year career. He was offered the opportunity to resign, but all the pilots he spoke to about it strongly advised him to refuse to resign and take the termination. By resigning, he would have given up every right he might have had to grieve his termination and of course unemployment benefits.

I'm not sure you'd even have the option to change your separation to a resignation after the fact, but if you do, man I'd get your unemployment started ASAP. You can call it what you want to, but the bottom line is that you don't work there anymore and that's a done deal. Chances are you live in an "at will" state--either party may end the employment relationship at any time for any reason or no reason (unless it's based on certain covered reasons like race, religion, or gender). People get fired all the time in this economy--happened to my mom a couple weeks ago. Unless you were fired for cause, and it doesn't sound like you were, it's not really a big deal as long as you learn and grow from the experience..
 
gliderboy said:
Since I've already earned the contempt of so many JJ'ers for my attitude towards work, let me be the one dissenting voice — you got what you deserved!

Put yourself in your boss' place. He's probably hanging on by his fingernails in this terrible economy. The company is everything to him. When you came to his company looking for a job he took a huge chance and gave you a job. Were you happy to get the job? Did you take pride in telling your friends that you had been hired as a professional pilot? Were you stoked to have those paychecks coming in to pay your bills? I'm sure you were.

Now, the company is in trouble. Everyone has to suck it up and pull together to keep the company going. The boss asks you to help them out and work a day or two for free, and you pull an attitude on him. "Oh no, you can help me when I need help and I need a job, but I'm not going to help you." That's what your boss hears. A spoiled kid with an attitude who has no clue about how tough it is to run a business. (Or how tough life can be.)

It's called give and take. It's the difference between succeeding in life or being one of the losers who can't figure out why they're always unemployed or doing some junk job. They really don't get it! They can't figure it out! And these are the people who think their time is so valuable--the losers!

Bosses hate selfish employees! They watch their employees like hawks. Who picks up that piece of trash on company property? Who walks past it? Who picks up a broom to sweep up even though it's not their job. The boss is watching all that. That's how he got to be the boss, by working harder than everyone else.

If you're grateful for you job, act like it.

There were days when I flew for free for our air tour company, like when the airline pilot who wanted to work for us (and who was bragging about his 40,000 hours) wrecked one of our planes. Or when the weather wiped out our best season. When the company needs you, you step up, or step aside.

But, hey. If your time is so valuable you can certainly start your own company. Go ahead. Try it.

On a calmer note, look on your firing as a learning experience and an opportunity to move on and do something else. Five years from now you may look back on it as the best thing that ever happened to you.

Good luck.
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You know...I have owned a business for a number of years. Owned it. Sold it. Now starting another one. I have had employees and after I sold my firm was a partner in the acquiring company which had 3800 employees around the world.

So...I know something about being an owner, and about employees.

I have to say, this post is about the silliest thing I have ever read on JC. As a business owner, you either value what your people do or you do not. They are selling you their only commodity (time and knowledge) in return for money. For you to try and take that for no remuneration is stealing.

Please tell me you are a troll, or forgot the sarcasm tag.
 
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