Mike H
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I am, and I believe the OP is too
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SteveCostello
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If I knew you any better, I'd say that there's a joke in here about most certainly demonstrating "suck squeeze bang blow" by the 10th floor, and I wouldn't even need the pencil, paper, or clipboard.
But since I don't know you, I won't.
Purely unintentional.
But it's called an "elevator pitch". If you can't spontaneously sell your idea by the time it takes to go from the bottom floor to the tenth, either your idea sucks or you suck at selling and need to stick with being an employee.
Jpax
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What if you're in an M. Night Shyamalan movie and you're too busy trying not to get slaughtered by the devil? And there's a big twist ending that totally throws you off your sales pitch?
EDIT: Creepy. My post count before this was 666.
DE727UPS
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There is a 172 that has six cylinders by the way. It's the R172 Skyhawk XP.
Anyhow, it's amazing to me that the OP has accomplished so much by 18. I started flying at 17 but I lived and breathed airplanes from about 13 on and worked at an FBO in my teens. I took my CFI at 19 with a DPE and flat out shoulda busted. I was weak but didn't know it. Was trained by a local CFI who had never trained a CFI before. The DPE told me since I was going to Riddle (he had a high opinion of Riddle...), and knew I wouldn't be teaching right away, that he felt I'd fill in the blanks down the road and would be fine.
As far as going with the FAA or a new DPE, the flip side to that is you do have some history with this guy that is positive. What I'm saying is, he's likely to give you some credit on your third try for the things he already felt you were okay on. If you go with a new guy you'll be starting at square one. Something to think about. Unless you think this guy is prejudiced against you or you just hate each other, you might want to talk with him (or have your CFI talk with him) about what the third oral will consist of and what you can expect. If you don't like what you hear, then by all means, go elsewhere. Back when I was an active CFII, if a guy failed his IR checkride, all he had to do on the second ride was successfully perform what he failed on.
What does your CFI have to say?
Anyhow, it's amazing to me that the OP has accomplished so much by 18. I started flying at 17 but I lived and breathed airplanes from about 13 on and worked at an FBO in my teens. I took my CFI at 19 with a DPE and flat out shoulda busted. I was weak but didn't know it. Was trained by a local CFI who had never trained a CFI before. The DPE told me since I was going to Riddle (he had a high opinion of Riddle...), and knew I wouldn't be teaching right away, that he felt I'd fill in the blanks down the road and would be fine.
As far as going with the FAA or a new DPE, the flip side to that is you do have some history with this guy that is positive. What I'm saying is, he's likely to give you some credit on your third try for the things he already felt you were okay on. If you go with a new guy you'll be starting at square one. Something to think about. Unless you think this guy is prejudiced against you or you just hate each other, you might want to talk with him (or have your CFI talk with him) about what the third oral will consist of and what you can expect. If you don't like what you hear, then by all means, go elsewhere. Back when I was an active CFII, if a guy failed his IR checkride, all he had to do on the second ride was successfully perform what he failed on.
What does your CFI have to say?
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The older 172's also have a 6-cylinder Continental O-300. Same jugs as the O-200, just two extra.
I think they were used up until about '67 before they switched to Lycoming
SteveCostello
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Oh, I know. I just couldn't pass up the opportunity for a sophomoric joke. I'm never going to grow up...
DE727UPS
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Oh yeah, I forgot about that. The 67 model year (H model I think) and older were the O-300's.
Roger Roger
I am le tired
Love in an elevator?
/aerosmith
Beech90
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There is a 172 that has six cylinders by the way. It's the R172 Skyhawk XP.
Anyhow, it's amazing to me that the OP has accomplished so much by 18 Thanks. I started flying at 17 but I lived and breathed airplanes from about 13 on and worked at an FBO in my teens. I took my CFI at 19 with a DPE and flat out shoulda busted. I was weak but didn't know it. Was trained by a local CFI who had never trained a CFI before That's how my CFI is. He's only trained one other CFI. The DPE told me since I was going to Riddle (he had a high opinion of Riddle...), and knew I wouldn't be teaching right away, that he felt I'd fill in the blanks down the road and would be fine.
As far as going with the FAA I think or atleast hope the FAA is a little more predictable. or a new DPE, the flip side to that is you do have some history with this guy that is positive. What I'm saying is, he's likely to give you some credit on your third try for the things he already felt you were okay on . If you go with a new guy you'll be starting at square one. Something to think about. Unless you think this guy is prejudiced against I think so. He passed a Private Pilot student when he didn't know what density altitude was or was true airspeed was. ( Obviously the standards for a CFI are MUCH higher, but in the same regard) you or you just hate each other I don't "hate" him, I just don't agree with his way of performing a checkride., you might want to talk with him (or have your CFI talk with him) about what the third oral will consist of and what you can expect. If you don't like what you hear, then by all means, go elsewhere. Back when I was an active CFII, if a guy failed his IR checkride, all he had to do on the second ride was successfully perform what he failed on. The DPE told me in order to pass his exam now, I should go to a "CFI school"
What does your CFI have to say? Have not talked to him yet, he's flying.
Roger Roger
I am le tired
To the OP: along with the other advice in this thread, I would absolutely make sure that your instructor talks with the DPE and gets a full, thorough debrief.
NickH
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I've flown 172's with a six cylinder O-300, four cylinder Lycoming O-320's and O-360's, and even a six cylinder Continental IO-360.
As an educator teaching a lesson about the engine on an airplane, it's a good idea to know what the engine is.
As a pilot, there is a good reason to know exactly what engine you have. Many older 172s which were born with a O-320-E2D have had it replaced at overhaul with the slightly more powerful O-320-D2J engine. Which means 100 Octane rather than 80/87. What fuel you can use is something you should know on a checkride at Private Pilot level. The reason the higher octane is needed (and why the D2J makes more power) is something you should be able to explain, without reference to a book, at CFI level.
As an educator teaching a lesson about the engine on an airplane, it's a good idea to know what the engine is.
As a pilot, there is a good reason to know exactly what engine you have. Many older 172s which were born with a O-320-E2D have had it replaced at overhaul with the slightly more powerful O-320-D2J engine. Which means 100 Octane rather than 80/87. What fuel you can use is something you should know on a checkride at Private Pilot level. The reason the higher octane is needed (and why the D2J makes more power) is something you should be able to explain, without reference to a book, at CFI level.
Roger Roger
I am le tired
Not to mention the abysmal H2AD engine... For a beer, anyone know the what's really unique about the H2AD vs. pretty much every other 172 engine?
Beech90
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Single shaft that drives the mags?
Tommay85
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The F models have 6s as well. SMOOOTH! 
I wouldn't worry about checkride busts OP. The reality is that it doesn't matter. You'll come across some throughout your career that think it does.
What was drilled and drilled over and over into my brain when getting my CFI was that if a student fails a checkride it's YOUR fault, not the students. YOUR CFI is failing you for not ensuring you're prepared for the checkride. He's pulling the "hail-marry" on you and it's unprofessional, but perhaps they feel you're preparing enough on your own and is trying to open your eyes, but they shouldn't be sending you in for a second failure. For whatever reason, this changes when you go to get a job. It suddenly matters. A little reminder about what I've said above usually clears that up. I only have one failure and that was the flight portion of an intermediate instrument stage check. Never been an issue.
I wouldn't worry about checkride busts OP. The reality is that it doesn't matter. You'll come across some throughout your career that think it does.
What was drilled and drilled over and over into my brain when getting my CFI was that if a student fails a checkride it's YOUR fault, not the students. YOUR CFI is failing you for not ensuring you're prepared for the checkride. He's pulling the "hail-marry" on you and it's unprofessional, but perhaps they feel you're preparing enough on your own and is trying to open your eyes, but they shouldn't be sending you in for a second failure. For whatever reason, this changes when you go to get a job. It suddenly matters. A little reminder about what I've said above usually clears that up. I only have one failure and that was the flight portion of an intermediate instrument stage check. Never been an issue.
After reading a few of your responses regarding your charts, diagrams, notes, etc., it strikes me as though you are using those materials as a crutch. Rather than simple spending the time learning the actual material, you've created a number of "cheats" that you anticipate falling back on frequently. While that may be OK during a private, instrument or even commercial ride ("I don't know the answer, but I know where to find it"), those words should be reserved for only the most obscure questions during a CFI ride. I think the DPE is right in holding your feet to the fire and suggesting that you change you study methodology.