Endeavor Air

Screaming_Emu said:
That's actually a damn good idea. Maybe I should apply and interview just as a practice. Free interview prep.
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What happens if interview, get offered the job, decline it...then you get furloughed from your current job a year or so down the road and try to apply again? Seems like burning a bridge a little.

Plus...wouldn't that possibly be stealing an interview from someone a little less qualified that's I have got the interview and job?
 
jgheggie said:
What happens if interview, get offered the job, decline it...then you get furloughed from your current job a year or so down the road and try to apply again? Seems like burning a bridge a little.

Plus...wouldn't that possibly be stealing an interview from someone a little less qualified that's I have got the interview and job?
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If I'm furloughed, going to another regional is just behind McDonald's and Burger King on places that I'd apply to, especially Pinnacle.
 
Screaming_Emu said:
If I'm furloughed, going to another regional is just behind McDonald's and Burger King on places that I'd apply to, especially Pinnacle.
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That bad huh? Well maybe by then McDonald's will be at $15 per hour. They went on strike demanding more money...what a joke!
 
jgheggie said:
What happens if interview, get offered the job, decline it...then you get furloughed from your current job a year or so down the road and try to apply again? Seems like burning a bridge a little.

Plus...wouldn't that possibly be stealing an interview from someone a little less qualified that's I have got the interview and job?
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It he can save a soul by taking their interview spot here... Well go for it!
 
jgheggie said:
That bad huh? Well maybe by then McDonald's will be at $15 per hour. They went on strike demanding more money...what a joke!
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Not really THAT bad. I've been really lucky thus far. But unless I could find somewhere that checks some extra QOL boxes (like maybe Horizon if I could afford to move somewhere to the pacific northwest, I'm unwilling to take a gamble to work as an f/o at a regional and hope it takes less than the 6 years and counting to upgrade. At some point you gotta cut your losses. I like flying airplanes a lot, but I'd like to begin living like an adult.
 
jgheggie said:
...living on happy meals and ramen noodles makes this profession very questionable...
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Eh I know this goes against the norm here but as a first year captain (not quite a street captain) I made 50's. The last two years as an FO I made in the 50's. I'm including per diem yes. Since the paycut it's worse but the 6grand from the bankruptcy payout helped a lot (made 50k again), especially if I'm gone next year early.
If I had my Mesaba concessionary contract... oops we're suppose to pretend that's the JCBA that all three companies negotiated... I'd be in the 60's without the 6 grand payout. Regionals can be good, Whisky was king for a while but still good as I understood it, ASA seemed like it always was from the outside looking in, Eagle seemed great, Mesaba had a lot of great sticking points, but it can be a big dropoff if you don't have any soft pay.

If the Endeavor concessionary piece of crap didn't have the soft pay, it'd be bloody. From now on I know, soft pay >= payrate in many cases.
 
jynxyjoe said:
Eh I know this goes against the norm here but as a first year captain (not quite a street captain) I made 50's. The last two years as an FO I made in the 50's. I'm including per diem yes. Since the paycut it's worse but the 6grand from the bankruptcy payout helped a lot (made 50k again), especially if I'm gone next year early.
If I had my Mesaba concessionary contract... oops we're suppose to pretend that's the JCBA that all three companies negotiated... I'd be in the 60's without the 6 grand payout. Regionals can be good, Whisky was king for a while but still good as I understood it, ASA seemed like it always was from the outside looking in, Eagle seemed great, Mesaba had a lot of great sticking points, but it can be a big dropoff if you don't have any soft pay.

If the Endeavor concessionary piece of crap didn't have the soft pay, it'd be bloody. From now on I know, soft pay >= payrate in many cases.
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Yeah, I certainly would like to make more money, but once you get through the first year its not too bad.

I'm just unwilling to go through the first year again, crappy schedules, etc. Especially for less than I did it the first time.
 
jynxyjoe said:
Eh I know this goes against the norm here but as a first year captain (not quite a street captain) I made 50's. The last two years as an FO I made in the 50's. I'm including per diem yes. Since the paycut it's worse but the 6grand from the bankruptcy payout helped a lot (made 50k again), especially if I'm gone next year early.
If I had my Mesaba concessionary contract... oops we're suppose to pretend that's the JCBA that all three companies negotiated... I'd be in the 60's without the 6 grand payout. Regionals can be good, Whisky was king for a while but still good as I understood it, ASA seemed like it always was from the outside looking in, Eagle seemed great, Mesaba had a lot of great sticking points, but it can be a big dropoff if you don't have any soft pay.

If the Endeavor concessionary piece of crap didn't have the soft pay, it'd be bloody. From now on I know, soft pay >= payrate in many cases.
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Well I can't speak from a pilots perspective...but whiskey was good when I was a flight attendant there (yes male flight attendant). Thought I could make some good contacts....and I did! Lol
 
Screaming_Emu said:
Yeah, I certainly would like to make more money, but once you get through the first year its not too bad.

I'm just unwilling to go through the first year again, crappy schedules, etc. Especially for less than I did it the first time.
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Oh! Yeah I won't make it through first year again at a regional. I can and have made more money doing almost anything. On top of the pay and QOL crap I'd be commuting for reserve with a wife at home, no sir. I would love to do it for a real airline... but if what I saw Pinnacle guys go through is any indication of reserve at a regional, Dominoes is hiring and so is every other junk job near me. I can always come back.
 
bronco21016 said:
Nobody is really sure on that. Daddy D and management aren't giving firm numbers on the final fleet plan. Some think they're trying to give us just a glimmer of hope. Others think it largely depends on what happens with the rate resets and contracts at another very large DCI carrier. Personally I think it just depends on what happens at the other carriers. Our costs are exactly where Delta wants them and the operation has actually been running pretty smoothly so unless someone else willingly or forcefully falls in line I don't see why it would make any sense to take away all of the -200s.
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This is another example of pilot-centric thinking that makes us our own enemies.

When it comes to costs, especially on the -200, pilots are no where near the most expensive part of it. #1 is fuel cost, with fuel getting cheaper and DAL sourcing their own fuel to help drive costs it is making some -200 routes viable again. #2 is the maintenance including the expensive overhauls that are coming due, that cost is in Delta's court and maybe they're negotiating something with bombardier. #3 is management and structural overhead costs associated with the regional model. Finally it's labor costs, anybody that really thinks the pay cut taken in bankruptcy is what makes or breaks endeavor is sadly mistaken. All it's doing is putting a very slight, almost unnoticeable, lining on the coffers of DAL corp.
 
crazyjaydawg said:
This is another example of pilot-centric thinking that makes us our own enemies.

When it comes to costs, especially on the -200, pilots are no where near the most expensive part of it. #1 is fuel cost, with fuel getting cheaper and DAL sourcing their own fuel to help drive costs it is making some -200 routes viable again. #2 is the maintenance including the expensive overhauls that are coming due, that cost is in Delta's court and maybe they're negotiating something with bombardier. #3 is management and structural overhead costs associated with the regional model. Finally it's labor costs, anybody that really thinks the pay cut taken in bankruptcy is what makes or breaks endeavor is sadly mistaken. All it's doing is putting a very slight, almost unnoticeable, lining on the coffers of DAL corp.
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On most flights, looking only at hourly wage, I make less than $1 per pax
 
crazyjaydawg said:
This is another example of pilot-centric thinking that makes us our own enemies.

When it comes to costs, especially on the -200, pilots are no where near the most expensive part of it. #1 is fuel cost, with fuel getting cheaper and DAL sourcing their own fuel to help drive costs it is making some -200 routes viable again. #2 is the maintenance including the expensive overhauls that are coming due, that cost is in Delta's court and maybe they're negotiating something with bombardier. #3 is management and structural overhead costs associated with the regional model. Finally it's labor costs, anybody that really thinks the pay cut taken in bankruptcy is what makes or breaks endeavor is sadly mistaken. All it's doing is putting a very slight, almost unnoticeable, lining on the coffers of DAL corp.
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I've been telling people for years, the 50 seaters are one engine STC away from being economical, of course if fuel get's hedged to $0.50 a gallon (not bloody likely) then you won't even need a new engine. Contrary factor, there probably aren't enough pilots to run the 50 seat market as it current stands, and retire everyone from the majors.
 
crazyjaydawg said:
This is another example of pilot-centric thinking that makes us our own enemies.

When it comes to costs, especially on the -200, pilots are no where near the most expensive part of it. #1 is fuel cost, with fuel getting cheaper and DAL sourcing their own fuel to help drive costs it is making some -200 routes viable again. #2 is the maintenance including the expensive overhauls that are coming due, that cost is in Delta's court and maybe they're negotiating something with bombardier. #3 is management and structural overhead costs associated with the regional model. Finally it's labor costs, anybody that really thinks the pay cut taken in bankruptcy is what makes or breaks endeavor is sadly mistaken. All it's doing is putting a very slight, almost unnoticeable, lining on the coffers of DAL corp.
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I'm well aware that pilot costs are one of the smallest slices of the pie. I wasn't speaking to the costs of the pilot contract but the costs of the restructured Endeavor as a whole. Endeavor, after the bankruptcy, likely stands in the best position of having some of the lowest expenses to operate among DCI carriers. That came from multiple places, one of them being shrinking the pilots' slice of the pie.

The other DCI carriers could likely find ways to align their costs with the restructured Endeavor by simply putting in a few more hours in finding more efficiency in their operation. I really wish they would pursue that option. Unfortunately, people inherently take the path of the least resistance and it just so happens that the path of least resistance is scaring labor into taking pay cuts.
 
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