Eagle ALPA Corruption

Derg said:
I do not envy you.

When I was on COMM at Skyway, people would walk up to me at the grocery store and bitch me out about the slow progress of our first contract and who was going to pay their bills if we went on strike.

Enjoying a nice slice of pizza before your Madison turn? Better be ready at the drop of a hat to get your ear chewed off.

And I was just COMM, I just reported, made VARS messages and did my best to muckrake with the help of the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel business editor.
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Right there with you now as the Chair of Aeromedical and CIRP. I don't mind having a conversation about the problems you have with our contract but enough is enough sometimes... Oh and when I mention something about volunteering, you would think I had some horrible infectious disease that everyone tries to ignore until they eventually scatter.
 
Oh it gets better. Now they have proof that certain reps took their wives to dinner and paid for the wives with union money. But I suppose that's all legit and they are hard working volunteers, so regular line pilots should shut up.

Right ATN_Pilot?
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Oh it gets better. Now they have proof that certain reps took their wives to dinner and paid for the wives with union money. But I suppose that's all legit and they are hard working volunteers, so regular line pilots should shut up.

Right ATN_Pilot?
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I've approved several group meals that included spouses. When you ask that a rep be away from home for a week at a time (or more), and his wife is already pissed off that he's doing a bunch of work on his days off, I think buying her dinner is the least we can do. It's certainly a hell of a lot cheaper than flight pay loss.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
I'm not even going to bother talking to Cherokee about any of this, because frankly, he's not a member and he works at a non-union carrier, so his opinion is irrelevant.
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I think that union work is one of those things that unless you have seen it from the inside, you really can't judge.

I'm sure that if you dig deep enough at any union you can find something to gripe about. If you honestly think it's that bad, then get involved and change it.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
I've approved several group meals that included spouses. When you ask that a rep be away from home for a week at a time (or more), and his wife is already pissed off that he's doing a bunch of work on his days off, I think buying her dinner is the least we can do. It's certainly a hell of a lot cheaper than flight pay loss.
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Even if the manual policy forbids it? While I can understand the sentiment of being away and spouses missing one on days off, you'd have to agree this will rub off the wrong way when it goes against written policy and when the pilot group were forced to vote on concessions negotiated by the reps.
 
ATN_Pilot said:
Wait, this was a family awareness event? For everyone's spouses? Cherokee is even more ill-informed than previously suspected.
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It was a Family Awareness event and the Negotiating Chairman's wife is from San Juan.
 
Derg said:
Family awareness is HUUUUUUUUGE.

Especially during contract negotiations because if you've got to walk the line, you need your spouse to understand why, not just reacting to the static during the run up to a work action.
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We set ALPA records for family awareness attendance and during bankruptcy negotiations we held an event in every domicile. In a matter of months the pilots have forgotten that no more than a year ago, they all attended a union event in which food, entertainment and even alcohol was catered.
 
I'm curious. Aren't there some sort of integrity issues at stake if the local union representation goes against their own local rules? Rather than ignoring the rules set by their pilots, shouldn't they first try to bring the rules back into line with national before going out and spending thousands on alcohol?

I'm not necessarily against alcohol being reimbursed with the representatives of a pilot group, but the blatant ignoring of rules is an issue. If the rule is bad, fix it first.

Trust goes a long way and breaking the rules is what can cause a rift within the pilot group. If you want to be a representative of a union of one, than act like it.

From what I gather Eagle ALPA has rules against alcohol being reimbursed. If I am wrong then ignore what said.
 
We use to, they changed it. Not a lot of people took it seriously during the short time it was prohibited. I can save union money by using a group meal that includes alcohol rather than letting pilots expense the meal individually.
 
bLizZuE said:
We use to, they changed it. Not a lot of people took it seriously during the short time it was prohibited. I can save union money by using a group meal that includes alcohol rather than letting pilots expense the meal individually.
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In that case disregard. The opposition has nothing to stand on then.
 
I'll put it this way. If you look at my interaction with the ALPA machine, you would probably put me into the "Doubting Thomas" or "Hatless Miscreant from DFW" zone. But when there's something to rail against, I'm there. When there's assumed smoke and assumed fire where there is none, I don't jump on the bandwagon just for craps and grins.

They do a lot of good stuff. They also do some really STOOPID stuff and get wrapped up into semantics and politics and lose site of who sent them there and for what.

But there's no smoke here. If there was, believe you me this would be my bully pulpit.
 
It is difficult to see what happens when as outsiders we are not apart of the super sekrit meetings. The ALPA group I was a part of was great though. The contact and communications was above and beyond what I would expect. When the contract came out to be voted on and was passed by a landslide I determined that place was not for me. In that case I fault national on their advice to our group. I wish nothing but the best to the pilots I flew with. Probably the best pilot group out there. I was lucky that I had other places to go to so I wouldn't drag everyone else down in my drivel haha.
 
The mud slinging continues.

Our DFW LEC will be holding another group therapy session tomorrow. What is on the agenda? Our future fleet plan? Our future within the new AMR? Anything substantial? NOPE:

1.Motion to Close Meeting to Association Members in Good Standing and Assigned to Council 83

2.Review of MEC Budget and Abuse of MEC Office

3.Discussion and Resolution to Recall MEC Officers

4.Discussion and Resolution to Recall MEC Communications Committee Chairman

5.Discussion of Recall of MEC SPC Chairman

6.Discussion of Low-Time First Officer Grievance

The Eagle right wing milita just keeps beating the same drum and playing politics. Obama's re-election really hit them hard. Meanwhile the future of our company is left in limbo and they don't seem to care.
 
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