Eagle ALPA Corruption

amorris311 said:
Maybe you are. Most of the people I know did not abuse the policies in place. If there was any question about anything it was an easy phone call and a review of the policy manual. I'm sure if you read your policy manual there are stipulations in there about what can and cannot be expensed.
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There are. And I'm 100% certain they exist for greasing the wheels. I know how stuff gets done. I also know that when nobody is looking, integrity takes willpower. I don't know what the OP thinks they're gonna get here, though. The Eagle pilot group is the group that either cares about specifics or not.
 
falconvalley said:
There are. And I'm 100% certain they exist for greasing the wheels. I know how stuff gets done. I also know that when nobody is looking, integrity takes willpower. I don't know what the OP thinks they're gonna get here, though. The Eagle pilot group is the group that either cares about specifics or not.
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Policy manuals exist so people can grease the wheels? Did you really just say that? I have denied expense reports for that very reason. There are many other shops that do the same. I don't know what union you work for, but that seems to be a complete lack of faith in your officers if you think the policy manual is rigged.
 
amorris311 said:
Policy manuals exist so people can grease the wheels? Did you really just say that? I have denied expense reports for that very reason. There are many other shops that do the same. I don't know what union you work for, but that seems to be a complete lack of faith in your officers if you think the policy manual is rigged.
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Oh greasing the wheels is most definitely not rigging anything. It is a very necessary practice. What you are probably talking about is negligence. Alcohol exists SOLEY to grease wheels. Did somebody invent another reason to drink? I think you are mistaking me for someone who is on a witch hunt.
 
Well, when I drink, I dance FONKY!

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ATN_Pilot said:
It's always the loudmouthed bystanders who have never done an ounce of union work in their lives who want to attack the guys actually making the sacrifices to get the work of the pilots done. Instead of thanking guys like Tony for working 18 hour days 6-7 days a week for years on end, spending far more time away from home than any line pilot, in many cases making less money doing so, you'd rather attack them for trying to have some semblance of a normal life by having a decent meal and a few drinks. Pathetic.

Tell you what, hot shots, if you think living the life of a full-time union officer is so glamorous, with bottomless liquor bottles and never-ending buckets of lobster, then how 'bout you step up to the plate and give it a shot. In six months, when you've realized that you never see your wife or kids anymore, your phone never stops ringing, your blood pressure has spiked, and your hair is going prematurely gray while simultaneously falling out, then get back to me on how important you think it is to force union reps to eat $15 dinners and not have anything to drink. Until then, you can bite me.
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Sure, drink. But on your own dime, especially since their policy states it explicitly as such. As for wives/kids, please, step down and go home if it really gets that bad. Otherwise, serve and serve well. And yes I would bite anyone who abused published policy when that abuse involves a misuse of 1.95% of my money. No one said it's glamorous, not sure where you got that from, but the point is to not abuse stated policy and then lie and cover up about it.
 
EeEmBee said:
You should see what the "don't tread on me" tea partiers did to Jared over on Eagle Lounge. It included making fun of his name like a bunch of six year olds.
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Well, when you tell pilots to not go on Eaglelounge, and that "I don't have to answer to you" , coming from a communications guy, what do you expect.
 
amorris311 said:
It would be more expensive to pay conus rate per diem then expense reports. Take it from me who did the job as MEC STR for two years. We had rules on what could be expensed but I'm sure we don't know the whole story that is going on over at Eagle. If that isn't enough you can ask Cruise, CAPIP1998, Seggy, ATN_Pilot, Gonzo
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Then peg them at the pilot contract per diem rate! If $1.50/hr is enough for line pilots meals/drinks, then it should be good enough for meetings in air conditioned hotel rooms.
 
Well they can't be on it for 24/7/7. Time at home is not per diem-able. Only on duty time. Line pilots have strict checkin/checkout times and management follows that to the heart for per diem pay purposes. Who is to really prove what time a union official "checked in" today for work. I'd like to see and quantify their hours. Problem is, a lot of times they can do stuff from home (eg, a phone call for 1 hr) and if that's all they did, how do you quantify per diem for that? Of course, they'll count this day when they say "I worked 7 days last week to serve you!"
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
Well they can't be on it for 24/7/7. Time at home is not per diem-able. Only on duty time. Line pilots have strict checkin/checkout times and management follows that to the heart for per diem pay purposes. Who is to really prove what time a union official "checked in" today for work. I'd like to see and quantify their hours. Problem is, a lot of times they can do stuff from home (eg, a phone call for 1 hr) and if that's all they did, how do you quantify per diem for that? Of course, they'll count this day when they say "I worked 7 days last week to serve you!"
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You'd be surprised.

I gotta run but I was at the Wookie Wedding a few years ago and he was actively handling union business even up until the moment he stepped into the aisle. I HIGHLY doubt he was calling it per diem, but those guys work their asses off.

Besides, you're not in ALPA, you don't get to see squat. You may like to see it, but you're not privy to the information.
 
If they can buy hundreds of dollars of booze with union money, then so should everyone else. Booze isn't what union money is for. I can handle the "1 beer with dinner" kind of thing, but hundreds of dollars is not cool. They do work like crazy, but this isn't communist Russia...this isn't Russia is it?(movie?) Nobody forced them into that position. Recreational use should come out of your own account.

Please, for the love of God and all things decent. PLEASE do not take this thread down the Eaglelounge road. I am utterly ashamed to call the "posse" over there ex-coworkers. Relentless little clique over there. Being mature about matters is something they have never once attempted.
 
Seggy said:
Guess not.

If you want to be well represented costs some coin...
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I'm not represented right now, so I can only go by my previous carrier representation. Was my merger committee "well represented" and cost some decent coin? Oh, I can answer that. Mesaba 3 person committee expense 6 grand, Colgan 2 person committee expense 5 grand, 9E's 3 person committee expense 12 grand. Yes, 12 grand. Now someone has to throw up the BS flag on that one. There should be a line of "reasonability" which should be defined as the average expense. I this case, the other two groups took 5-6 grand, yet the 9E committee doubled in expenses. ALPA National should only have paid 5-6grand and told them to screw off for ther 6grand. And it's not like they actually did a good job to hand us a good result. They walked in there guns ablazin, ignoring facts, not addressing seniority class date issues, and then walked out with a red staple job for Colgan. That worked well. If that representation cost 12 grand, then they can go pound sand.
 
SrFnFly227 said:
I don't get it. I just can't comprehend why people think this is ok. $30 or $3000, it shouldn't matter. ATN says it's so that the reps can have "some semblance of a normal life." Normal for who exactly? I can't think of anyone I have ever flown with who would spend money like that. Of course maybe that is because the line pilots are responsible for paying for their own meals and bar tabs.

Here's a possible solution to this problem though. Lets pay union reps per diem instead of having them on expenses. If reps want to spend their own money on steak and alcohol, so be it, but they shouldn't be spending money that is forced out of pilots pay checks on it.
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The ALPA per diem rate is actually really, really generous. I can't remember off the top of my head, in the neighborhood of $80-$100/day IIRC.
 
wheelsup said:
The ALPA per diem rate is actually really, really generous. I can't remember off the top of my head, in the neighborhood of $80-$100/day IIRC.
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ALPA per diem rate and then the regional airline pilot contract per diem rate. This must be that "one class of service" I keep hearing about.
 
wheelsup said:
The ALPA per diem rate is actually really, really generous. I can't remember off the top of my head, in the neighborhood of $80-$100/day IIRC.
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ALPA per diem is based on CONUS rates. You qualify for the rate in the city you're working. It is almost ALWAYS cheeper to do group meals, including beverages, than to pay out per diem.
 
Cruise said:
ALPA per diem is based on CONUS rates. You qualify for the rate in the city you're working. It is almost ALWAYS cheeper to do group meals, including beverages, than to pay out per diem.
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I get it while in DC so that must be why it's so much :D
 
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