Disgust with Mangement

meritflyer said:
My previous statement stands. The union needs to re-evaluate their tactics, period. They simply haven't worked in decades.
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I'd go as far to say that the reason they haven't work is b/c management knows that we can't strike, so why bother actually negotiating? Look what happens when a major partner pulls a "settle this or else." Management conveniently finds it in their hearts to settle, normally with pretty good terms. That's what happened at ASA. Think if Delta hadn't stepped in, they'd have a contract now? Think it was b/c of stellar negotiating? Nope. Same happened with the Pinnacle contract back in 1999. NWA stepped in and said "Fix it now." I imagine that if United or someone else with an RFP out that Pinnacle bid on said "You've got it, but you have to settle your pilot contract" we'd have a TA by next week. Management holds all the cards under the RLA.
 
PCL_128 said:
Haven't worked in decades? Guess you weren't paying attention in the '98-'01 timeframe when the most expensive pilot contracts in history were negotiated. :rolleyes:
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And three years later were rolled back to the early '80's. I'd say they didn't work.
 
Skydog, what is your problem? Yea 911 happened so what? Why the hate towards pilots? Every post has been anti union, anti pilots, and pro management... do you want to tell us something?
 
Socal321 said:
Skydog, what is your problem? Yea 911 happened so what? Why the hate towards pilots? Every post has been anti union, anti pilots, and pro management... do you want to tell us something?
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hes a crew scheduler, do you really need to ask? If anything is as bad as management it is their evil minion crew schedulers.
 
Velocipede said:
No, the issue is dishonest management that continues to negotiate in bad faith while using tactics like the bankruptcy court to abrogate Union contracts. And worse, yet, the number of pilots who will collude with those managers to ratchet down the earning potential of ALL pilots.

Not only does that include pilots who willingly work for non-Union carriers, but Regional pilots who replace good paying Union jobs without batting an eyelash.
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:yeahthat:

While it's true I'm currently a regional pilot, I'm doing EVERYTHING in my power to improve the working conditions for ALL union pilots.
 
skydog said:
And three years later were rolled back to the early '80's. I'd say they didn't work.
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Never a more uninformed opinion has been presented on JC. Curious, what does it take to be that clueless. You're comments in this thread (and many others) are truly disgusting in regards to improving the piloting profession, as a whole.

So you left the industry? I can think of many an airline management group that would love to have your input. Thanks for nothing! :(
 
Socal321 said:
Skydog, what is your problem? Yea 911 happened so what? Why the hate towards pilots? Every post has been anti union, anti pilots, and pro management... do you want to tell us something?
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What hate? I'm simply asking why people think it is appropriate to transfer personal responsibilities to their employers?

I'm also pointing out that I think PCL is wrong. 3-4 years of slight improvements that were preceeded and followed by reductions is not what I'd call a successful practice.
 
I am the father of Matthew, the mechanic who was murdered. I have read your postings on this subject and would like to add some of my own comments.

· First, our family has never had any expectation of entitlement. We realize that Trans States owes us nothing. They are in business to fly airplanes and not to provide charity.
· We know that the insurance company (CIGNA) set the requirements, not Trans States. Even though Matthew surpassed the minimum number of days of employment, and the company pays its monthly life insurance premiums for its employees in advance, the effective date was set for September 1, and he died 23 hours before the policy was to take effect.
· We asked Trans States to try to influence the insurance company on our behalf. We would have appreciated it if the company had at least made some attempt to contact CIGNA; to “go to bat” for us, as it were.
· Our hearts were broken because the management of Trans States demonstrated such a lack of respect to our family by not offering their personal condolences and the condolences on behalf of Trans States. To our family, this infers that Matthew was an insignificant person, not worthy of their time. We are saving things for Scarlet so that when she is old enough, she’ll have a better understanding of her father. It would have been nice to have some type of condolences on official company letterhead. We realize that there is no law requiring a company to officially offer condolences to the family of a deceased employee. Likewise, there are no laws requiring people to say, “Please or thank you,” although almost everyone does so because it is just common courtesy. Should all management actions and decisions be based solely on legal requirements and contractual agreements?
· We were deeply hurt when we realized the irony in how the CEO of Trans States described himself in a business journal in April of 2008 as, “I'm a very charitable kind of person.” Yet this same person could not spare me ten minutes of his time to acknowledge the loss of our son. Read the whole quote for yourself; it is the last paragraph of the interview. http://www.airportbusiness.com/online/article.jsp?siteSection=1&id=19211&pageNum=2

The family appreciates the journal and the writer for being the voice of Matthew. The article cannot convey everything the family is having to deal with.

Respectfully,

Tom Walsh
 
I'm truly sorry for your loss Mr. Walsh.
As a pilot for TSA, I remain in disbelief of their handling of this matter and ashamed.
I would also like to thank you for clearing up some of the details that may have been getting a bit blured during the discussion of the situatuion.

Thank you and god bless
 
I'm sorry for your loss Mr. Walsh.

One thing I have picked up around here is that the TSA group is pretty tight - and I bet that if TSA won't step to the plate for your granddaughter that the TSA pilots and mechanics could probably put a letter together - on ALPA or IAM letterhead to establish what her Daddy did and that he will be missed.

Prayers to your family.
 
Sad sad sad. What a shame.

Here's to the employees looking out for each other, or have we lost that sense of collective good and success as well?

Sorry for your loss Mr. Walsh, your family is in our thoughts.
 
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