Delta hiring slowing?

JordanD said:
It depends. I'd already infinitely more happy at 90 something percent company wide than I was getting relatively senior at my ULCC that seems to be in pretty dire straits at the moment. As it looks right now I won't crack the top 1,000 before I retire, but I'm struggling to think if that's something that even really matters in the long run. Maybe I won't retire top wide body captain in my base, but the earnings potential (and work rules, 401k, etc) are more than enough to live well.
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This is what matters the most IMO. I’ve flown with people who come to work MISERABLE and probably go home that way too because they’re somewhere they do want to be and they’re top 20%.
 
word302 said:
Oh for sure, and I’d probably do the same. My point was it’s just not an automatic yes today like it was a year ago. There’s a lot to weigh out in that decision.
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I know we've hired someone born in 2000 now and Im sure that wont be an outlier. So if someone who is changing airplanes later in the game is going to have alot of 20 somethings to wait out their career behind if they wait much longer.
 
I was 37 in 2020 when I got my offer from Delta. Even back then, the math from the seniority calculators said I wouldn't break in to the top 2000 in my career. It's amazing how much hiring changed during the 8 years I spent applying (without any luck) to the Majors.
 
SrFnFly227 said:
I was 37 in 2020 when I got my offer from Delta. Even back then, the math from the seniority calculators said I wouldn't break in to the top 2000 in my career. It's amazing how much hiring changed during the 8 years I spent applying (without any luck) to the Majors.
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And to the broader point, Top 2000 at Delta wouldnt be bad necessarily.
 

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Richman said:
Nope, #5. And they use the molten butter applied with a paint brush technique, so that the toast is saturated with butter just the right amount, without it being squishy or greasy. If their coffee was better, I'd say it was a little slice of heaven, but as it is, it's a darn good breakfast for not a lot of money.
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My kids are already begging for bacon and eggs this morning, they and you make a convincing argument
 
Roger Roger said:
My kids are already begging for bacon and eggs this morning, they and you make a convincing argument
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There is another place 'round here that is a bit more high-brow. They do a skillet with homemade cornedbeef hash, taters, cheese and eggs, and on the side you get pancakes or french toast. You're snacking high on the food chain there. Eat that, and you can go hibernate for a season.
 
Dacuj said:
You heard right. Envoy and American on pace to hire record numbers in 2024. Hire straight in to Envoy and slide on over to AA in 5 years. Best deal out there.
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I’ll actually be serious here: the AA flow is 5 yrs?!

That’s 5 yrs of additional young people hired before you, 5 more years of higher retirements going away, leading into a decade of much slower retirements, 5 yrs of missing out on the remaining end of this front curve.

How is this a good deal? Why not just go to another regional, and apply to AA in yr 2-3?
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
I’ll actually be serious here: the AA flow is 5 yrs?!

That’s 5 yrs of additional young people hired before you, 5 more years of higher retirements going away, leading into a decade of much slower retirements, 5 yrs of missing out on the remaining end of this front curve.

How is this a good deal? Why not just go to another regional, and apply to AA in yr 2-3?
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Because you make the Dacuj sad.
 
Cherokee_Cruiser said:
I’ll actually be serious here: the AA flow is 5 yrs?!

That’s 5 yrs of additional young people hired before you, 5 more years of higher retirements going away, leading into a decade of much slower retirements, 5 yrs of missing out on the remaining end of this front curve.

How is this a good deal? Why not just go to another regional, and apply to AA in yr 2-3?
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Well there's no guarantee you'd get hired at AA outside of the flow. The flow seems like it would be a good thing to have in case you can't escape the regionals otherwise, though I'm not sure if you can get removed from the flow (you can be removed from the "Aviate program" UA has pretty easily), and the official estimates of flow time are probably very optimistic. Dacuj is obviously a troll but the AA wholly owned regionals do seem like the best options if you are just starting out at the airlines and can't get hired anywhere better than a regional.
 
Hiboglossi said:
Well there's no guarantee you'd get hired at AA outside of the flow. The flow seems like it would be a good thing to have in case you can't escape the regionals otherwise, though I'm not sure if you can get removed from the flow (you can be removed from the "Aviate program" UA has pretty easily), and the official estimates of flow time are probably very optimistic. Dacuj is obviously a troll but the AA wholly owned regionals do seem like the best options if you are just starting out at the airlines and can't get hired anywhere better than a regional.
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That's a lot of Ifs. I'd still take my chances elsewhere. In recent history the flow was pushing 20 years
 
word302 said:
That's a lot of Ifs. I'd still take my chances elsewhere. In recent history the flow was pushing 20 years
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True but don't the AA wholly owneds also pay more than most other regionals now? And even if the flow does take 20 years, it's still "career insurance" in case you can't escape the regionals otherwise. 20 years in regional hell is still better than life.
 
Hiboglossi said:
True but don't the AA wholly owneds also pay more than most other regionals now? And even if the flow does take 20 years, it's still "career insurance" in case you can't escape the regionals otherwise. 20 years in regional hell is still better than life.
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They all pay well now, but who’s to say that stays? Flows are nothing more than a recruiting tool to keep someone at a regional for as long as is needed. Sure it’s worked out for a minuscule percentage over the years, but it’s literally the last reason why I would pick a regional.
 
word302 said:
That's a lot of Ifs. I'd still take my chances elsewhere. In recent history the flow was pushing 20 years
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You’re twisting the facts. The flow has never been 20 years, ever. It’s actually under 5 years now with the latest projections.
 
Dacuj said:
You’re twisting the facts. The flow has never been 20 years, ever. It’s actually under 5 years now with the latest projections.
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Eagle flow? When I was starting at the regionals, the upgrade time at American Eagle was 10 yrs, and many left seats on E145s were AA flow backs. Now I never worked there, but as I recall when one took the upgrade, they had to declare Eagle Rights or AA flowthrough. Those who declared flowthrough, were the seats that AA furloughees flowed back to.

Now I’m sure there’s no flow back provision today. Just calling out the turd that was “flowthrough” in those days.
 
Dacuj said:
You’re twisting the facts. The flow has never been 20 years, ever. It’s actually under 5 years now with the latest projections.
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Funny. 6 or 7 years ago I was deadheading with an Eagle guy that just got his flow. He was just over 20 years. Guess he was lying?
 
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