Delta/Endeavor SSP Extended to All Pilots

PeanuckleCRJ said:
It's too bad XJ leadership sold you out on the flow- that stinks.
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Wait what? XJ leadership sold me out on the flow? The flow was going away the moment Delta sold Mesaba, that wasn't XJ leadership's fault.

PeanuckleCRJ said:
Sure, we'll count it as a royal you since you said that they convinced yall of the things you stated.
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Well I really didn't get the SSP so I don't know what to ask there. I did wonder if someone downgraded as long as I was would be offered the SSP but they told me no that they were referring to guys post merger (who would be downgrading). I kind of skipped over the SSP part, I just wanted to have a job in 4-12 months so I could move on.
PeanuckleCRJ said:
That's too bad they said what they said, because obviously via the language it is wrong. The guys without a degree shouldn't have even been offered the SSP per the language, but there was an exception made. No other exceptions were made as you can see.
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I'm not sure what this means.
PeanuckleCRJ said:
PSA has a guaranteed %- there is no guaranteed % in the SSP, nor was there any intention to have that in the SSP. The fact that Kit Darby thought the SSP was a flow is laughable... I mean, sure some of the stuff is lawyer speak and I get that, but anyone with half a brain can tell it wasn't a flow, just a guaranteed interview if you meet certain criteria.
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Yeah kit Darby is a troll. Anyway, about the PSA thing, that happened after the failure of a SSP to keep guys around. You keep referring to the PSA agreement in contrast to the SSP as if they are linked. Why do you keep doing that?
 
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undsioux1 said:
A few guys I know have gotten past the panel and knowledge tests, but have been weeded out by the cog test twice. Or other guys will ace the HR but only study gouge online and therefore fail the knowledge test. You have to pass all phases of the interview to be offered the job. Everyone that shows up is graded on the same scale, why someone fails just varies on the individual applicant.
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Bingo- this is it. End of story, and there is nothing more to make of it.
 
PeanuckleCRJ said:
Bingo- this is it. End of story, and there is nothing more to make of it.
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I can agree with this. Factually speaking 60% of guys at Endeavor can't pass all phases of the interview and can't make the score to succeed onto Delta for various reasons. 60%.
 
jynxyjoe said:
I can agree with this. Factually speaking 60% of guys at Endeavor can't pass all phases of the interview and can't make the score to succeed onto Delta for various reasons on their first try.
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Fixed your post. :) The first retries are occurring.

Keep in mind the regular interview for non-SSP doesn't have that much higher of a pass rate.
 
bronco21016 said:
Hope to interview and GTFO before I have the pleasure of finding out who he is. Back to the books....
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Rogah! Try not to listen to your goofball ex-Pinnacle captains in DTW actively trying to convince everyone that Delta's just going to bring everyone over to the list on a staple. Comair had those guys too, and it seems like there's some neurosis that happens at any Delta owned regional. Some sort of delusions brought on by PTSD.

(however if they're right they'll look like geniuses and we'll all look the idiots)
 
jynxyjoe said:
Rogah! Try not to listen to your goofball ex-Pinnacle captains in DTW actively trying to convince everyone that Delta's just going to bring everyone over to the list on a staple. Comair had those guys too, and it seems like there's some neurosis that happens at any Delta owned regional. Some sort of delusions brought on by PTSD.

(however if they're right they'll look like geniuses and we'll all look the idiots)
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...well, anything can happen, I guess.
 
It is my understanding that as Delta got further down the seniority list the CJO percentage went up dramatically. I would bet if my company was offered a similar SSP the results would be similar.
 
undsioux1 said:
Those aren't my words. They are from a FO friend of mine (9E) that interview off the street last week. He said that many of the guys told him at the interview that they don't like the SSP and flow programs because they can't choose who they interview. The guys who do the interviews didn't negotiate the SSP, management did so I can understand why they could be upset.
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I mean, if what a lot of what people say is true and interviews are determined more and more by HR policy wonks and less and less by the pilot training and leadership folks, who really cares if they're a little annoyed?
 
Roger Roger said:
I mean, if what a lot of what people say is true and interviews are determined more and more by HR policy wonks and less and less by the pilot training and leadership folks, who really cares if they're a little annoyed?
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Eh, I would hope Endeavor guys would just not attend rather than do this crap. I've still got that on my resume, I'd hate to run across a HR rep from delta at another company or some sort of internal "oh those guys *eye roll*. Whatever though, one more thing out of my control.

Just find your inner puppy and do your best.
 
Delta seems to have a hard on for hiring the right people that are "Delta material". I wonder if they have heartburn when they remember that half their domestic flying is on RJs with guys that they had no say in who was hired, and if the EtD posts were accurate, very very few regional guys would be "Delta material".

They are flying Delta passengers, purchased from Delta.com, in Delta airplanes, flying to Delta destinations into Delta gates. As far as the passengers know, they are Delta employees.

It's beyond hypocritical.

Reminds me of the Men in Black quote, the "best of the best of the best".
 
Roger Roger said:
I mean, if what a lot of what people say is true and interviews are determined more and more by HR policy wonks and less and less by the pilot training and leadership folks, who really cares if they're a little annoyed?
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You misunderstand the process. This is why there are 2 pilots and one HR on the interview panel... That way flight ops has the final say in the panel and can override HR. That's what happened with the newhire that is staying with us during training now.
 
mastermags said:
It is my understanding that as Delta got further down the seniority list the CJO percentage went up dramatically. I would bet if my company was offered a similar SSP the results would be similar.
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That's probably pretty typical. The further up the list you go, the further the probability of finding guys that can't leave. Those that could have, already have done so. It seems at my prior company the line was somewhere in the 9-10 year mark. Above that, a much higher percentage of guys will be staying put until the bitter end. Of course, there are guys who are waiting on thier "#1 choice" to call in that area as well, really great people just biding their time.
 
wheelsup said:
Delta seems to have a hard on for hiring the right people that are "Delta material". I wonder if they have heartburn when they remember that half their domestic flying is on RJs with guys that they had no say in who was hired, and if the EtD posts were accurate, very very few regional guys would be "Delta material".

They are flying Delta passengers, purchased from Delta.com, in Delta airplanes, flying to Delta destinations into Delta gates. As far as the passengers know, they are Delta employees.

It's beyond hypocritical.

Reminds me of the Men in Black quote, the "best of the best of the best".
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Replace "Delta" with any legacy carrier name that has regional feed and your statement would still hold, except that the regionals no longer do 50% of DL flying and is rapidly shrinking.
 
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