Deadheading...would you take the jumpseat?

My god, do you have to play "Green Eggs and Ham" with me? :)

I answered the question already.
 
Derg said:
My god, do you have to play "Green Eggs and Ham" with me? :)

I answered the question already.
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Jonesing for an LAX transfer?

"LA Ground, SouthernJets 177 heav-ee with Foxtrot, C8 alleyway."
"DERGH TYLOR, taxi to 24L..."
 
wheelsup said:
That's fine that is your choice.

This is what I'm referring to:



So wanting to sit in an actual seat to "arrive fresh" is only applicable under company dime? If you were commuting to work you would sit anywhere you could, including the jumpseat, to get there - my guess is you aren't buying a seat in back commuting every week from PHX to JFK. Like I said - hypocritical.

Me personally I 100% agree with you, I wouldn't sit in the jump for a long flight either if I was PS, but I would certainly do it if I HAD to to commute.
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We're not talking commute. Commute and deadhead are not equal.
 
juxtapilot said:
We're not talking commute. Commute and deadhead are not equal.
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Exactly. This is the key point here, big difference between trying to get to work because I choose to live where I want to, and riding somewhere because the company has asked me to. Short flight where I'm CERTAIN there are no jumpseaters, sure I'll sit up front. Anything longer than a couple hours, I think I'll take the seat they are contractually obligated to give me. I don't see it as hypocritical because they are different situations.
 
juxtapilot said:
We're not talking commute. Commute and deadhead are not equal.
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Dan208B said:
Exactly. This is the key point here, big difference between trying to get to work because I choose to live where I want to, and riding somewhere because the company has asked me to. Short flight where I'm CERTAIN there are no jumpseaters, sure I'll sit up front. Anything longer than a couple hours, I think I'll take the seat they are contractually obligated to give me. I don't see it as hypocritical because they are different situations.
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I'm not sure if you're intentionally trying to miss the point or just ignore it.

Not wanting to jumpseat so you can arrive ready for a leg and not make mistakes is certainly a responsible and logical reason which is the reasoning he gave. However I don't see how logically you can make that responsible choice and then on the same token commute 4-5 hours same day on the jumpseat and then do a crossing (I assume he same days).

It's like how pilots will complain about long duty days, but those same guys will commute same day and put themselves in a 20 hour duty day essentially.
 
Autothrust Blue said:
I've not been asked, and on the Bro having an ACM may make matters worse weight and balance wise, so meh.
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Just treated like another passenger for weight and balance, sometimes (more common a couple years ago before the CGs shifted forward) it actually helps get another passenger on. Sometimes it means you can put a bag in the cabin seat they would have taken.

Many captains aren't creative enough with the Brasilia jumpseat. I have more jumpseaters on the long flights with lots of fuel than I do on shorter ones.

Sent from my Galaxy Nexus that ate your iPhone.
 
Ralgha said:
Just treated like another passenger for weight and balance, sometimes (more common a couple years ago before the CGs shifted forward) it actually helps get another passenger on. Sometimes it means you can put a bag in the cabin seat they would have taken.

Many captains aren't creative enough with the Brasilia jumpseat. I have more jumpseaters on the long flights with lots of fuel than I do on shorter ones.
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Ahhhhhhh. I think I'll play with some numbers, and see what I come up with. Thanks!
 
juxtapilot said:
I'll take the jumpseat ONLY to get nonrevs on and ONLY at the last minute when I am absolutely sure there are no other pilots from any company requesting it.

I will not take a jump to get a revenue passenger on.
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Correct!! The jumpseat should not be earning the carrier revenue!

It is not a revenue tool.
 
wheelsup said:
I'm not sure if you're intentionally trying to miss the point or just ignore it.

Not wanting to jumpseat so you can arrive ready for a leg and not make mistakes is certainly a responsible and logical reason which is the reasoning he gave. However I don't see how logically you can make that responsible choice and then on the same token commute 4-5 hours same day on the jumpseat and then do a crossing (I assume he same days).

It's like how pilots will complain about long duty days, but those same guys will commute same day and put themselves in a 20 hour duty day essentially.
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I made 14,678 dollars last year. I'm taking my seat. Thanks.
 
fish1260 said:
from the INFLIGHT! office, telling me to contact them about the incident. I never returned the call, and relayed the message to my union rep, never heard any more about it.
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Inflight has zero authority over you.

That would have been a fun phone call if it was me.

"So, uhh, you were a flight attendant that got sick of flying and now they made you a supervisor and you think you have the authority to dictate where I deadhead? Ha... Ahah....HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA yeeeeeeah, I'll uhh... Get right on that. Coffee, one cream please." :)
 
This one time at band camp I was sitting in the back jump seating to work on a corndog 73' when I started getting berrated and told I wasn't going to get a water because my freight company wouldn't allow flight attendants to jump seat. She then tried to get me in trouble with the captain as I was exiting the plane. He told me to have a great day and fly safe and told her they'd have a conversation later.
 
At my previous airline- it was in our pilot contract that ON COMPANY aircraft- scheduling could make 1 person ride in the J/S. It only came up once in my 4.5 years of being there. Not many people had it happen was also my understanding.

Current company that policy doesn’t exist.

But fun story a few years ago- I was reserve flying with 2 MSP people (CA/FA), myself (FO) with another DTW crewmember (FA) - the 2 of us were scheduled to DH from SDF-DTW on a CHQ E145.....it was clear upon showing up at the gate that the flight was tight on seats. And not long afterwards the next non-rev red flag was waving.......a mainliner's teenage daughter who was traveling by herself in the face of the gate agent at the desk arguing how she should be getting on the flight....yada yada yada. Oh boy.

One quick look around the terminal- I also noticed an FA trying to get to work. No other pilots/ No other passengers. After talking to her on the side it seemed that there wasn’t much hope for either of them to get on since myself and the other DH'ing FA had the last 2 seats. With the daughter not backing off the gate agents after the entire boarding process, myself the DH FA came up to board last.

I had heard enough just sitting in the boarding area.

Once getting to the scanner I asked the gate agent if I took the jumpseat- would the FA trying to get to work be able to get on with the only/last seat in the cabin. She would.

So i gladly took it for the short flight, helped a crew member out, it was the last day of trip/no fatigue issue for me, and no other pilots/passengers were effected.

Plus the look on little miss everything handed to her's face was worth the short ride in the JS.
 
Think about this....what if you decided to take the Jumpseat, and at the last moment they found out the plane was weight restricted and they couldn't take jumpseaters, would you now have lost the Jumpseat AND your positive space?
 
The problem is almost every airline tries to cram as much revenue on a flight as they possibly can to the point of selling seats they don't even have. Hence the reason DHers are asked to sit up front to get a revenue passenger on. I can understand in a situation where a flight canceled, but guess what? That's a company issue they need to handle, and it's not up to the pilot to save the day. If they wouldn't overbook every flight by 10 because they're scared that people (who have already BOUGHT TICKETS) won't show up, this wouldn't be a big issue. As it is, they have a percentage of people they sell tickets to, collect their money, bank on them not showing up and sell MORE tickets and take MORE money HOPING people don't show up. I've never agreed with the oversell policy. It smacks of greed and fleecing of the flying public. If everyone DOES show up (which in my experience happens more often than it used to), now the company has to scramble to try to follow through on what they promised. It's not a good way to do business, but if you live in ATL, MSP, DTW, MEM or CVG (or IAH, EWR, CLE or other fortress hubs) what choice do you have?

I live in the base where our company does all of it's training for inflight and flight ops, so there are normally a decent chunk of positive space people on the flight. You know how many times they've been asked to give up their seat? Zero. Unless something has happened in the way of cancelations or some major IROPs, there's room for the revenue passegners AND the positive space employees. Now, the non-revs, it's hit or miss....
 
The flip side to your argument kellwolf is that if everyone does show up, the agent waives a $200 voucher in front of the passengers and they jump on it to take a flight 2 hour later.

I do agree with the oversell policy, makes the flights fuller to nonrev on, but if you need to be somewhere buy a ticket y'all!
 
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