Deadheading...would you take the jumpseat?

[derg]

Yep, Derg is right. What you're talking about deals with offline jumpseating. Using another airline's jumpseat for your company's business, saving your company money, is a big no-no. But riding your own company's jumpseat while on a deadhead isn't a big deal, provided that you don't bump a jumpseater in the process.

That was delineated pretty clearly at Skyway.

They even said, "If you're flying to work, you are NOT, you are just flying because you're working in a couple days. If crew scheduling tells you to ride the jumpseat, refuse to else we'll lose the benefit".

That stuck with me.

But I will never in a billion years say, "If I don't make this flight, I won't make it to work" otherwise it just indicated a lack of planning on my behalf.

 

[wheelsup]

I'll take the jumpseat ONLY to get nonrevs on and ONLY at the last minute when I am absolutely sure there are no other pilots from any company requesting it.

I will not take a jump to get a revenue passenger on.

^^^^THIS^^^^

Passengers pay our salary. This is lost on 99% of pilots.

 

[wheelsup]

We have been told time and time again that if we have a space positive ticket that we aren't allowed to take the jumpseat for anyone as we could "lose our jumpseat agreements".

I think you misunderstood the memo

 

[wheelsup]

Typically I would have done what ever got the other pilot(s) on, as I am a commuter and hope the favor is returned some day. But...when it is a company flight attendant it made me think twice since I will likely fly with them in the future. I guess I had hoped they could decide who needed to go more, and I could of made either possible. Next time I'm just taking my seat, lesson learned!

Rule #1 of jumpseating is never take the jumpseat if there is someone else wanting it if you are PS

If the FA needs to get to work she can call scheduling and get a PS ticket

If there are revenue standbys the FA would never had a chance of getting on regardless, they are at the end of the long list...

 

[derg]

Passengers pay our salary. This is lost on 99% of pilots.

Not directly.

Putting butts in seats pays my hourly wages. How we take care of them once they're onboard dictates if they'll come back.

Now crew scheduling screwing up and having to deadhead me to LAX on a 6 hour flight because they ailed to staff that base properly and I'm supposed to show up ready and rested to fly to SEA, by moving out of my seat and into the cockpit actually makes the system worse.

If you're deadheading, DEADHEAD. Last thing I want to do is be catching a nap in the cockpit before my duty day starts, have the crew screw something up and be there, along side them, at the Big Brown Desk(tm) in Atlanta trying to explain why I didn't catch the error.

 

[falconvalley]

Pilots first for me. I generally say no for j/s to help out, unless I know for sure there is not a pilot within running distance to try to get on and that's difficult to uphold.

 

[wheelsup]

Not directly.

Putting butts in seats pays my hourly wages. How we take care of them once they're onboard dictates if they'll come back.

Now crew scheduling screwing up and having to deadhead me to LAX on a 6 hour flight because they ailed to staff that base properly and I'm supposed to show up ready and rested to fly to SEA, by moving out of my seat and into the cockpit actually makes the system worse.

If you're deadheading, DEADHEAD. Last thing I want to do is be catching a nap in the cockpit before my duty day starts, have the crew screw something up and be there, along side them, at the Big Brown Desk(tm) in Atlanta trying to explain why I didn't catch the error.

Your point about long flights is certainly valid.

 

[derg]

Your point about long flights is certainly valid.

Again, my point is it's one thing is you specifically volunteer. But if you're pressured to "volunteer" or are expected to do so, it's a whole different game.

 

[wheelsup]

Again, my point is it's one thing is you specifically volunteer. But if you're pressured to "volunteer" or are expected to do so, it's a whole different game.

Agreed

In the Airways system from my experience it's not anywhere near expected

 

[derg]

I figure it's like when we have to cancel a flight.

It inconveniences A LOT of people that "pay our salaries" (hourly rates), but the decision stands because doing something reckless would certainly inconvenience the people that pay our salaries.

 

[DE727UPS]

"Whatever, I took the seat I am contractually entitled to. When we arrived back in base I had a voicemail...from the INFLIGHT! office, telling me to contact them about the incident."

I'm guessing you don't have to answer to inflight, so they can pound sand. That's not how it works. Where I work, the official grand poobah of crew scheduling could leave me a voice mail and it's not necessary for me to care. They need to talk to my ACP and my ACP I have some duty to interact with. Anyone outside the hierarchy of pilot management I won't deal with unless there is something in it for me.

 

[wheelsup]

I figure it's like when we have to cancel a flight.

It inconveniences A LOT of people that "pay our salaries" (hourly rates), but the decision stands because doing something reckless would certainly inconvenience the people that pay our salaries.

I don't see leaving a seat open and people behind as the same thing, IMO

Another thing, IIRC you commute from PHX to JFK sitting in the jumpseat if need be to make it to work but won't sit in the jumpseat to do the same thing if PS? I dunno it sounds really hypocritical to be honest.

 

[upup89]

I would have done something similar to what you did with explaining the situation and finding out show times and going to or from work etc to see if an amicable agreement can be made. But when push comes to shove I'm going to side with the pilot every time. You never know when you may need his/her jumpseat to get some place in a crunch.

 

[WMostellar]

In my limited experience in aviation - what I do as a courtesy once quickly becomes an expectation for everyone else (this isn't limited to the jumpseat). It ends up complicating everyones' lives when we stray outside the normal procedures.

 

[derg]

I don't see leaving a seat open and people behind as the same thing, IMO

Another thing, IIRC you commute from PHX to JFK sitting in the jumpseat if need be to make it to work but won't sit in the jumpseat to do the same thing if PS? I dunno it sounds really hypocritical to be honest.

If I'm PS to JFK from PHX, I'm riding in the back. The Jumpseat is still open for a commuting pilot in the CASS system.

 

[juxtapilot]

I don't see leaving a seat open and people behind as the same thing, IMO

Another thing, IIRC you commute from PHX to JFK sitting in the jumpseat if need be to make it to work but won't sit in the jumpseat to do the same thing if PS? I dunno it sounds really hypocritical to be honest.

Ehh, too risky anyway. Screwing a commuter just isn't worth it. NOT taking it to get a rev pax on EVER.

 

[Autothrust Blue]

Well, you're supposed to use your jumpseat privileges as a "personal" benefit.

If you're riding the jumpseat, offline, because your company needs to get you to a specific base, that's bad juju.

If you use it to get to work or to vacay or something, as far as I know, it's kosher.

If it's because your crew trackers told you, as a pilot for ABC Airways, to hop on XYZJet's jumpseat to cover a trip, it is NOT kosher.

Oh, well, meanwhile, at Western Express...

 

[SlumTodd_Millionaire]

Again, my point is it's one thing is you specifically volunteer. But if you're pressured to "volunteer" or are expected to do so, it's a whole different game.

At SWA, it's not even a "volunteer" situation. Their CBA actually allows the company to force you to ride in the jumpseat for a DH if they need to get revenue on.

Just another example of their so-called "industry leading" contract.

 

[Autothrust Blue]

At SWA, it's not even a "volunteer" situation. Their CBA actually allows the company to force you to ride in the jumpseat for a DH if they need to get revenue on.

Just another example of their so-called "industry leading" contract.

This is the case in our Ts and Cs as well. If requested, blah blah. I've not been asked, and on the Bro having an ACM may make matters worse weight and balance wise, so meh.

 

[wheelsup]

If I'm PS to JFK from PHX, I'm riding in the back. The Jumpseat is still open for a commuting pilot in the CASS system.

That's fine that is your choice.

This is what I'm referring to:

Now crew scheduling screwing up and having to deadhead me to LAX on a 6 hour flight because they ailed to staff that base properly and I'm supposed to show up ready and rested to fly to SEA, by moving out of my seat and into the cockpit actually makes the system worse.

So wanting to sit in an actual seat to "arrive fresh" is only applicable under company dime? If you were commuting to work you would sit anywhere you could, including the jumpseat, to get there - my guess is you aren't buying a seat in back commuting every week from PHX to JFK. Like I said - hypocritical.

Me personally I 100% agree with you, I wouldn't sit in the jump for a long flight either if I was PS, but I would certainly do it if I HAD to to commute.