How fragile is your ego that you feel the need to personally defend the U.S. Government almost crashing into yet another airliner at DCA?And how did the flyover existing endanger anyone? Show us where the flyover departed from clear instructions or did something in a non briefed and approved manner.
Like I said you’ve got a lot of opinion for somebody who neither has experience in the arrangement of such activities in general or the specifics of this incident. Nobody was bounced off a ceiling of an aircraft until you insinuated such. Do you have actual evidence that such a violent procedural deviation was taking place at the time of the flyover? Or is this just my hyper inflation of the event by you along with planes full of dead people
Hey here’s a reversal on this: Why was an aircraft cleared for and allowed to conduct takeoff with a 4 ship conducting a flyover (which are all pre-coordinated)? Seems like the flyover was being conducted without issue to the rest of the busy airspace, and an aircraft was directed to take off into it. Obviously the answer is to get mad at flyovers right?
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How fragile is your ego that you feel the need to personally defend the U.S. Government almost crashing into yet another airliner at DCA?
Maybe we should just restrict them to all those less busy airspace sectors we do them in like Seattle, Dallas, Chicago, Denver, etc. Or we can drop a massive TFR if that’s the demanded solution from our commercial airspace partners. Or maybe this wasn’t near the sensational moment it’s being made out as, and we can identify the procedural breakdown that allowed the aircraft departing to ever get close to a planned formation, correct that breakdown, and move on with existing.
Again, none of these ops are anything new in this airspace, for ATC to deal with; been going on fr a very long time. This time, things were a bit closer than desired.
One has to ask, as many here have agreed that DCA is an airport of convenience more than any kind of airport of necessity; with IAD and BWI, and considering all the various areas of flight ops surrounding DCA, is DCAs time as a useful airport in terms of congestion and safety, nearing its end, if not already there? Because places like ADW certainly aren’t closing down, nor are government flight ops in that area reducing.
Again, none of these ops are anything new in this airspace, for ATC to deal with; been going on fr a very long time. This time, things were a bit closer than desired.
One has to ask, as many here have agreed that DCA is an airport of convenience more than any kind of airport of necessity; with IAD and BWI, and considering all the various areas of flight ops surrounding DCA, is DCAs time as a useful airport in terms of congestion and safety, nearing its end, if not already there? Because places like ADW certainly aren’t closing down, nor are government flight ops in that area reducing.
I think the point being made is that one of those aircraft should not have been in that exact place at that exact time. It could have been the flight of four (who weren't actually getting radar vectors at that point in time) or it could have been the CRJ (that was flying a published segment of an ILS). Both aircraft have a right to be there, doing what they are doing, just not at the same time. If TOT was something important to the T38s, then probably it was the CRJ shouldn't have been where it was at that point in time.
And sensationalized for media consumption or not, an RA is a big deal to a passenger jet. Even a 1g pull or push is enough to knock somebody off their feet in the cabin. Hopefully nobody was up and about at that point (since they were landing within a few minutes) but in general it has the potential to be a problem.
And did you get that point out of any of the conversations insinuating the needless nature of the flyover or a sensationalist statement like that the US Government almost crashed another plane in DCA?
Seriously take a look around at this and the other thread, the crash with the Hawk has given license to some of the NIMBY’ism demanding everybody else is the problem and default right of way belongs to commercial 121 ops. It’s not an objective discussion line of have we been allowing this the whole time, do we need to change or reevaluate ops at Reagan, or is/was there a simple procedural breakdown we aren’t seeing that was countered by downstream mitigations built into the system.
Flyovers (especially that one) are historically performed safely and coordinated long before aircraft step or departure, so having been part of that I’m highly inclined to believe that despite some others feelings on the subject the T-38s weren’t out there cowboying up the airspace at the risk of all the civil passengers in the area. Let’s have an actual investigation and not go off CNN reports with some flightaware24 data sprinkled in to try and pass judgement on the matter.
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Please present evidence that the FAA and NTSB are failing to investigate the root causes of accidents because they assume that race or gender played a role.
Sounds like you feel like your feelings got hurt in this discussion? Toughen up there buttercup... nobody was gunning for you or military aviation. If the doom chyrons on CNN and Fox are bothering you, you can always just ignore them. There are actual adults talking about actual aviation things here and you contributing to the conversation instead of just whipping your dick and and peeing all over the room would be kind of nice since you've got experience on the side of the coin that many of us don't.
The general consensus seems to be that changes need to be made in that airspace so that sort of thing doesn't happen again. And I'd guess the voices are just a bit louder this time around because the same discussion was had over and over (and over) again about low level rotor ops conflicting with traffic landing 15, 19, and 33 (I filed my first ASAP about it in 2007) but nothing ever was done about it, and now 70 people are dead. Sure would be nice to plug the next set of holes in the swiss cheese before it happens again.
Seeing that no one made specious speculation about the cause of this incident, let alone claiming it was due to race or sex, in this thread, it's a bit out of context. The meaning of his post is obvious, but it seems very random in this thread.
If you think a TCAS RA is no biggie, then you obviously don't grasp the seriousness of this event.
TCAS events are abnormal and reportable in the airline business.
TCAS RA’s are super abnormal and generally involve investigations and ASAP reports.
I really didn’t read the rest of the thread.
Human factors are WOKE. You are CANCELLED.