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DCA's salary for instructors is $ 10.00 per hour, not that it is any better, but I just wanted to help you get your facts straight.

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Thanks for clarifying, and 10 is heck of a lot better than minimum wage (which is actually criminal).

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Just for curiosity how many students does UND have and how many instructors? Do you have to complete your 4 year degree before getting hired as an instructor? And if that is the case how long does it take on average for them to get hired at a part 121 carrier?

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I was in the last new hire class of around 135 instructors. That brings UND's total to 230 give or take a few. In that class, I was one of the older ones (22). There were a lot of instructors born in 83 and a couple in 84.

You do not have to be graduated to work here, but there is incentive because of the pay raise once you have a degree ($9.36 an hour to $15.40 with CFII).

It all depends on the instructor when he wants to leave. American Eagle has minimums for us now 500 tt and 100 multi. Which means a student could instruct for one year while going to school, graduate and then head out the door to Eagle if he/she got hired.

Horizons minimums for us are at 750 tt and 50 multi.

Piedmont's are set at 500 and 50 multi.

A few of my ex instructors are at Pinnacle now, which I wouldn't mind going to if their new contract gets up to 2005 standards.

A new hire I know instructed for 2 weeks before he got hired at ExpressJet. He had the hours from a weather mod internship.

It all depends.........Any more ?'s, just ask.

And sorry for my tone in my earlier post, thanks for clarifying some things.
 
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It all depends on the instructor when he wants to leave. American Eagle has minimums for us now 500 tt and 100 multi. Which means a student could instruct for one year while going to school, graduate and then head out the door to Eagle if he/she got hired.

Horizons minimums for us are at 750 tt and 50 multi.

Piedmont's are set at 500 and 50 multi.


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I have had an instructor who was disallowed from interviewing with Skyways because he wasn't to the academy's minimums yet. By disallowed, I mean that he was told that if he interviewed with Skyways and did not get the job, he could not come back to DCA. Also, as I understand it, Chataqua would take more instructors at lower hours if DCA allowed it.
 
Why did the instructor notify DCA that he was interviewing with Skyway?
 
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Why did the instructor notify DCA that he was interviewing with Skyway?

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Skyway's chief pilot came down for interviews and 'eligible' instructors were invited to interview. Several who met Skyway's minimums (and then some) asked to interview but were told they did not meet the minimums for dual given at DCA. I think we're required to have 800 dual given before DCA will release us for our interview. As far as I know, none of Delta's affiliates will hire from DCA if the 800 dual given is not met.

Gotta love office politics. /ubbthreads/images/graemlins/insane.gif
 
It's more than office politics. What it is...is....DCA wants to keep milking CFI's at $10/hr until they have put in their "time" at the 800 hour mark. So...it's "no you can't leave" until you pay your dues to them for the 800 hours (not to mention that YOU paid big bucks to get your CFI, be standardized, and all that)

Man...the more I learn about this place the more I laugh and shake my head....
 
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DCA's salary for instructors is $ 10.00 per hour. . .

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Wow....I make double that much, and I didn't have to write my school a check for my job!!
 
Don't misinterpret this as an "anti-DCI" comment, but that's pretty much un-American man!

I know if Skyway said "Hey, if you interview at (my current employer) you'll no longer be eligible to be a 1900 captain" I'd have resigned before he finished the sentence. Especially if I thought I had a 50% shot at landing the job.

This industry is incredibly cyclical and there's nothing in the world to guarantee that by the time the CFI builds 800 hours dual-given that ANY airline will be hiring at all and he might be instructing for years at $10/hr and a fat student loan to pay back.

I'm going to give DCA the benefit of the doubt because it sounds nuts, but if it's true, can one of you admin's email me about the rationale on not enabling your students to interview with an airline interested in helping the CFI move forward with his career?

Purdy please?
 
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I'm going to give DCA the benefit of the doubt because it sounds nuts, but if it's true, can one of you admin's email me about the rationale on not enabling your students to interview with an airline interested in helping the CFI move forward with his career?

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Holding your breath?
 
The feedback we received pointed out that these instructors had not 'graduated' from our program and that Skyways only wanted 'graduates'. At least, that is my understanding.

Disclaimer - I am not a decision maker at DCA and I am not trying to judge their decisions.
 
Skyway wanted to interview a 'graduated' instructor, but since the instructor wasn't considered a 'graduate' of DCA, DCA said they couldn't instruct if they had interviewed?

I'm really confused now!

If you don't complete 800 hours, you're not a 'graduate' even though you have CFI/MEI?
 
No Doug. You're not a graduate until you have 800 hours dual given. The promise of a job/interview doesn't kick in until you "graduate" from their program...and you don't "graduate" from their program until you have reached the 800 hour mark as one of their CFI's.

So...if you wash out of the CFI course or otherwise don't complete your 800 hour commitment, no guaranteed interview at a Delta Connection Regional for you.
 
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The feedback we received pointed out that these instructors had not 'graduated' from our program and that Skyways only wanted 'graduates'. At least, that is my understanding.

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DE's post seems to make more sense to me...
 
Ok this is how it went down. DCA told instructors that had the mins for Skyways, but did not have the 800 dual given, that if they interviewed for Skyways, that would count as their "guaranteed" interview. So if they were not hired, they would finish their 800 hrs and would be released with no other interview. Students graduate the program when they complete CFII.
 
The 800 hours is a contract that every instructor signs. Just like any other contract, promises are made on both sides. We don't have to sign it, and they don't have to offer it. Once we sign as instructors, we are saying that we won't go work somewhere else until we complete it. Not too hard to understand. It may be hard to understand why someone would sign such a contract (I wonder myself somedays), but once we have, we are bound to honor it. I am fairly sure that's why DCA told some instructors no to the Skyway interview. They are counting on those instructors to be around for a while and finish thier contracts. I do know that eight of eight that were allowed to interview did get hired.
 
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I am fairly sure that's why DCA told some instructors no to the Skyway interview. They are counting on those instructors to be around for a while and finish thier contracts. I do know that eight of eight that were allowed to interview did get hired.

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So, what if you interviewed with Skyway without letting DCA know??

NEVER tell your employer that you have an interview elsewhere!!!!
 
Thanks for the clarification. What sort of times does an 800 hour dual given DCA grad have? I'd guess around 1000 total and 200 multi? In todays environment, those should be some good numbers to get a interview a lot of places without the DCA guarantee....I'm just guessing here.
 
The answer to that question is obvious since the objective of the ad is to create demand. As far as my experience, I was told that the pay was just ten bucks.... I am sure they tell anyone interested.
 
Hey,

Thanks for the info! We had people leaving DCA for Skyway with less time than DCA requires for release. It is good to know that there are lots of places out there interviewing. American Eagle is now an option for us too.
 
Some of our instructors get a job at a part 61 outfit while they wait for their Standz class. They get paid as much as 25 an hour... so that is not new. But thanks for the info anyhow.
 
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