drunkenbeagle
Gang Member
I was expecting it to be a slush fund. Stopped watching at the 3 minute mark when he called it a slush fund.
Anyway, I would like the 3 minutes of my life back. Hopefully Youtube demonetizes it as well.
Dan Gryder
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I was expecting it to be a slush fund. Stopped watching at the 3 minute mark when he called it a slush fund.
Anyway, I would like the 3 minutes of my life back. Hopefully Youtube demonetizes it as well.
Boots2Wings
Just happy to be here.
Still new to 121; but it did shock me that FOs were the ones who got the ability to add a no-fly list at my shop. I mean hell, if a Capt offends my sensibility (arguably hard to do) and hurts my ego, thats a learning opportunity…and damn ive been humbled and learned a lot. I get it if they're nonstandard or just blatantly unprofessional, but theres other ways to deal with that.
I will say, ive flown with quite a few guys who proclaim “Im on all the junior guys no-fly”; and Ive enjoyed flying with/ learning from them the most and hope to see them on my future pairings.
Maybe Im just a masochist?
ahw01
Well-Known Member
Sounds like daddy issues @ChasenSFO
I think it makes perfect sense. I don't pay attention to those rumors either, and give everyone a chance, even the hardcore no-fly-listers. Most of the time they end up being fine, and a few were surprisingly great. We all give out different vibes and as much as we hear that the Captain sets the tone, an FO can also set the tone in certain aspects based on how they act or what energy they project. Plus, some personality types just don't mix well. I have found there is a "type" that I have difficulty getting along with, and when I see my Captain has those traits, I start paying extra attention to avoid any potential issues and prevent it from getting unpleasant. It's as much me as it is them, no hard feelings, so I need to put in the effort as well. Some pilots don't have that sensitivity and will just clash, possibly ending up with a no-fly nomination for someone that is perfectly fine and just doesn't get along with your personality type.
Plus a lot of people are very trigger happy to add Captains to their no-fly list. My tolerance is very high and I currently don't have anyone on mine. To end up on it, you have to do one of two things: either scare me in the airplane or be an actual bad person. Grumpy or a bit jaded doesn't count, I'm talking a genuine •.
Screaming_Emu
Joe Conventional
I don’t know. Just felt like a necessary edit because im 12 apparently
Screaming_Emu
Joe Conventional
I get along with just about everyone. I even earned the name “• whisperer” on a group chat after I flew with a few of our more famous idiots. But at my last company I used the no fly list out of convenience. Could I work with these people? Sure. But it’s a hell of a lot more enjoyable to never see them again.
BEEF SUPREME
Well-Known Member
The no fly list gets pretty interesting. Really though it's one of the only options an FO has to control their work environment. Other than just an overall very poor leadership quality with most captains where I work I only had one "serious problem" with a captain. It was a real safety issue and I went to pro standards to resolve it. I was hopeful that his peers would be able to get this captain to understand that de-icing an aircraft was an important safety policy. As well as briefing departures and arrivals. That is when I learned that pro standards is a completely toothless committee and captains that blatantly disregard safety procedures should just be brought to the Chief Pilots Office.
Now I am hearing bad things about this same captain from the FOs that I fly with. Instead of using pro standards I wish I had just escalated the issue with the Chief Pilots Office. I feel terrible about not doing so now after seeing pilots more junior than I continue to suffer under this captains selfish and unsafe command.
My real issue with the no fly list is that I needs to be reset every month. The reason for this apparently is that it's a liability to have a standing no fly list. Which could be used against the airline in an accident or incident. If that isn't backwards thinking, I don't know what is.
FlyingAccountant
Well-Known Member
They don't want evidence out there that someone is a •ter, let alone the ability to run statistics on that.
Some guy gets into an incident as a result of poor CRM - "ZOMG, 50% of FOs had this guy on their no fly list, why didn't the company do something!?!?!?!"
BEEF SUPREME
Well-Known Member
Yeah. There has to be something better than the current system.
BobDDuck
Island Bus Driver
In a PBS system, you can put no fly preferences in your default bid. That way they are saved every month.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
I guess some things never change. When most CAs at work seem to be the problem, the actual problem wasn’t the CAs. It was you.
Just sayin
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
You can look at the NTSB docket, the CAs final interview for SWA 345 (LGA).
There was tons of stuff against her, including no fly lists, several CRM coaching sessions, carpet dance, etc.
Should have been fired years ago. ESPECIALLY telling was when she was being coached and hinted at, when she was FO, that you’re upgrading soon, you need to change yourself and how you are.
Never did. Apparently became one of the most hated CAs at Southwest.
Not necessarily true.
When I first got hired at SouthernJets, about 30% of the captains I didn't want to fly with again because they were social neanderthals.
It was the 90's, the south and there were some social norms then that would absolutely get your ass fired after it was kicked in 2023.
I wasn't the problem. My presence was.
BEEF SUPREME
Well-Known Member
Leadership is incredibly important pointing out it’s almost entirely missing means something. Something you don’t understand. I’ll just leave it at that.
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Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
No, no it doesn’t. Not when you write off entirely almost all the CA pilot group.
Typically, in an “everyone else is lacking! And everyone else sucks in leadership!” The problem is the FO making their statements.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Oh I get that. But that was also over 20 yrs ago.
In his particular case, let’s just say he made a name for himself on the internal pilot forum. Not gonna re-hash that history.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
That’s not what I mean. The internal forum is a forum of the airline’s pilots only, and no anonymous posts. It uses real names in/near the user name.