CRJ V1 cuts !

This is My Screen Name said:
Hello again, can anyone recommend a resource for getting a better understanding of the CRJ Autopilot. The Pilot Resource Manual from the company just kind of lists it out as - these are the lateral modes, these are the vertical modes.

I've done dumb stuff like rolling the VS up to transition to less than a 1000 fpm after hitting ALTS CAP and didn't know how to get myself out of it (I guess hitting ALT would be one option in that situation) and accidentally kicking myself out of heading when going to green needles (forgot to hit HDG when in NAV on that one). So kind of looking for a practical users guide kind of thing if anyone knows of one - like, if you find yourself in this mode when you didn't want it, this is what you did wrong and what you should have done kind of thing..

Thanks again everyone, so much more helpful than the Angry Pilot Chat forum lol !
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Of course it depends entirely on the situation, but if I'm low and getting vectored and I fat finger something, I usually just click off the AP and hand fly instead of pushing the buttons. It's just about experience. There's no book for it. At my company, we were able to use the FTDs any time we wanted as long as it wasn't in use. Perhaps you can just sit down and mess with the AP.
 
This is My Screen Name said:
Hello again, can anyone recommend a resource for getting a better understanding of the CRJ Autopilot. The Pilot Resource Manual from the company just kind of lists it out as - these are the lateral modes, these are the vertical modes.

I've done dumb stuff like rolling the VS up to transition to less than a 1000 fpm after hitting ALTS CAP and didn't know how to get myself out of it (I guess hitting ALT would be one option in that situation) and accidentally kicking myself out of heading when going to green needles (forgot to hit HDG when in NAV on that one). So kind of looking for a practical users guide kind of thing if anyone knows of one - like, if you find yourself in this mode when you didn't want it, this is what you did wrong and what you should have done kind of thing..

Thanks again everyone, so much more helpful than the Angry Pilot Chat forum lol !
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You can only get so much from a manual. Learning a particular A/P is a bit like learning to play the piano; you've got to practice. Cadence, rhythm, key positions, fluidity... not stuff readily assimilated through reading.
 
For me I just used the centerline. I don't get off the ground unless I am in the middle of that center line or as close as possible. The reason I say that is because if you have the centerline control as you get in the air you already know what type of rudder you need.
 
Rocketman99 said:
Guess your employer forgot about AA191. Granted, you're not flying a DC10, but that seems like a questionable policy regardless. It should be like you said to fly at whatever airspeed you have as long as it's at least V2 and less than V2+10, and decelerate to V2+10 if you're faster.
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I don't disagree.

I'm also not entitled to make the profiles, so.
 
I don't know if it was mentioned, but as airspeed increases, rudder effectiveness increases. If you're not slightly reducing rudder pressure after rotation, you're going to get coordinated and aircraft control gets more dfficult. I don't know how the airlines do it, but we get the autopilot on as soon as we can to reduce workload.

As far as the autopilot goes. Always take a second to see what mode you're in before pressing anything. The FMA is what you're looking at to see the mode. Never just punch a button and assume it did what you pushed. I usually verbally say what mode I push aloud. "NAV", "FLC", "VNAV" and etc... Then verify that it's doing what you want it to by saying "NAV captured", "Speed captured", or "Path captured".
 
KLB said:
I don't know if it was mentioned, but as airspeed increases, rudder effectiveness increases. If you're not slightly reducing rudder pressure after rotation, you're going to get coordinated and aircraft control gets more dfficult. I don't know how the airlines do it, but we get the autopilot on as soon as we can to reduce workload.

As far as the autopilot goes. Always take a second to see what mode you're in before pressing anything. The FMA is what you're looking at to see the mode. Never just punch a button and assume it did what you pushed. I usually verbally say what mode I push aloud. "NAV", "FLC", "VNAV" and etc... Then verify that it's doing what you want it to by saying "NAV captured", "Speed captured", or "Path captured".
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They'll look at you funny here for that, but I won't; "NAV, FMS--FMS green" works fine for me.
 
Autothrust Blue said:
They'll look at you funny here for that, but I won't; "NAV, FMS--FMS green" works fine for me.
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I always like for the guy next to me to know what I'm doing. You know that one time you meant to be in NAV mode but you really were in heading. The other guy assumed you were on top of it, but you really just fat fingered the FGP panel....and things got real interesting?

Of course that's never happened to though. :)

I'm big on verbalizing.
 
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KLB said:
I always like for the guy next to me to know what I'm doing. You know that what time you meant to be in NAV mode but you really were in heading. The other guy assumed you were on top of it, but you really just fat fingered the FGP panel....and things got real interesting?

Of course that's never happened to though. :)

I'm big on verbalizing.
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"Speed and heading"
"Do you mean speed MODE heading MODE?"
 
Guess I need to just need to look at the FMA and stop and think before I start fat fingering stuff ! haha

I guess I'll make less mistakes hopefully in IOE as I will have more time to get set up compared to what you get in the simulator.

Thanks all.
 
Autothrust Blue said:
"Speed and heading"
"Do you mean speed MODE heading MODE?"
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Well basically if I select heading mode, I say "Heading". If I select FLC mode, I say "FLC". Same goes for VNAV and so on. It just keeps the other in the loop on what I intended to do when I reached up to push a button. The 300/350 flight guidance panel reverts to roll mode if you accidentally or intentionally push HDG or NAV twice. So by me calling the mode of intention, it prompts the other guy to look up on his/her PFD to to verify the proper mode has been selected.

I picked this procedure up from another company I used to work at and it has done wonders for SA.
 
This is My Screen Name said:
Guess I need to just need to look at the FMA and stop and think before I start fat fingering stuff ! haha
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If you can't tell me why you're pushing that button on the MCP/FCP/GP/FGCP/whatever it is in this airplane you should probably not be pushing it.

My normal response to the FO finger-frakking the panel, particularly during a dynamic flight state, is to push the red button on the yoke.
 
Autothrust Blue said:
If you can't tell me why you're pushing that button on the MCP/FCP/GP/FGCP/whatever it is in this airplane you should probably not be pushing it.

My normal response to the FO finger-frakking the panel, particularly during a dynamic flight state, is to push the red button on the yoke.
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Absolutely, I guess I meant in the sim it was rapid fire, back to back. I know stuff can and will come fast in real life also but... en route happens in real life also. So yes, I should absolutely be able to tell you why I'm pushing what I'm pushing Being on IOE I'll probably brief the auto pilot modes when I brief the plate, time allotting(expecting ILS 99% of the time).
 
This is My Screen Name said:
Absolutely, I guess I meant in the sim it was rapid fire, back to back. I know stuff can and will come fast in real life also but... en route happens in real life also. So yes, I should absolutely be able to tell you why I'm pushing what I'm pushing Being on IOE I'll probably brief the auto pilot modes when I brief the plate, time allotting(expecting ILS 99% of the time).
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I wouldn't assume that things will slow down much in IOE.
 
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KLB said:
I wouidn't assume that things will slow down much in IOE.
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The consequences tend to be more...immediate.

This is My Screen Name said:
Absolutely, I guess I meant in the sim it was rapid fire, back to back. I know stuff can and will come fast in real life also but... en route happens in real life also. So yes, I should absolutely be able to tell you why I'm pushing what I'm pushing Being on IOE I'll probably brief the auto pilot modes when I brief the plate, time allotting(expecting ILS 99% of the time).
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Don't let this thing take you somewhere that your brain hasn't been 5 minutes prior.
 
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