I was under the impression that it did, but I could be wrong :laff:I don't believe that an FA's certificate qualifies as an "airman's certificate," but I could be wrong.
AMBER!!!!!!!!!!!
I was under the impression that it did, but I could be wrong :laff:I don't believe that an FA's certificate qualifies as an "airman's certificate," but I could be wrong.
Does AFA have an official stance on wanting access to the cockpit jumpseat?
I was under the impression that it did, but I could be wrong :laff:
AMBER!!!!!!!!!!!
I was under the impression that it did, but I could be wrong :laff:
AMBER!!!!!!!!!!!
Sec. 121.547 - Admission to flight deck.
(a) No person may admit any person to the flight deck of an aircraft unless the person being admitted is --
(1) A crewmember;
(2) An FAA air carrier inspector, a DOD commercial air carrier evaluator, or an authorized representative of the National Transportation Safety Board, who is performing official duties;
(3) Any person who --
(i) Has permission of the pilot in command, an appropriate management official of the part 119 certificate holder, and the Administrator; and
(ii) Is an employee of --
(A) The United States, or
(B) A part 119 certificate holder and whose duties are such that admission to the flightdeck is necessary or advantageous for safe operation; or
(C) An aeronautical enterprise certificated by the Administrator and whose duties are such that admission to the flightdeck is necessary or advantageous for safe operation.
(4) Any person who has the permission of the pilot in command, an appropriate management official of the part 119 certificate holder and the Administrator. Paragraph (a)(2) of this section does not limit the emergency authority of the pilot in command to exclude any person from the flightdeck in the interests of safety.
(b) For the purposes of paragraph (a)(3) of this section, employees of the United States who deal responsibly with matters relating to safety and employees of the certificate holder whose efficiency would be increased by familiarity with flight conditions, may be admitted by the certificate holder. However, the certificate holder may not admit employees of traffic, sales, or other departments that are not directly related to flight operations, unless they are eligible under paragraph (a)(4) of this section.
(c) No person may admit any person to the flight deck unless there is a seat available for his use in the passenger compartment, except --
(1) An FAA air carrier inspector, a DOD commercial air carrier evaluator, or authorized representative of the Administrator or National Transportation Safety Board who is checking or observing flight operations;
(2) An air traffic controller who is authorized by the Administrator to observe ATC procedures;
(3) A certificated airman employed by the certificate holder whose duties require an airman certificate;
(4) A certificated airman employed by another part 119 certificate holder whose duties with that part 119 certificate holder require an airman certificate and who is authorized by the part 119 certificate holder operating the aircraft to make specific trips over a route;
(5) An employee of the part 119 certificate holder operating the aircraft whose duty is directly related to the conduct or planning of flight operations or the in-flight monitoring of aircraft equipment or operating procedures, if his presence on the flightdeck is necessary to perform his duties and he has been authorized in writing by a responsible supervisor, listed in the Operations Manual as having that authority; and
(6) A technical representative of the manufacturer of the aircraft or its components whose duties are directly related to the in-flight monitoring of aircraft equipment or operating procedures, if his presence on the flightdeck is necessary to perform his duties and he has been authorized in writing by the Administrator and by a responsible supervisor of the operations department of the part 119 certificate holder, listed in the Operations Manual as having that authority.
Doesn't a FA meet all those criteria? I'm not 100% as I'm not a FA or deal with them on a daily basis.
Op Specs are obviously different. And PIC is the final authority.
From the FAA's bulletin that dealt with the issuance of these new certificates:
Distinction. The Act distinguishes between this certificate and an airman’s certificate. This certificate is not an airman’s certificate as specified in Title 49 of the United States Code (49 U.S.C.), section 44703; it is a separate kind of certificate as specified in 49 U.S.C., section 44728.
Does AFA have an official stance on wanting access to the cockpit jumpseat?
Delta used to let the lead F/A ride as an observer (CA's discretion, of course) if there was an extra F/A on board (to maintain FAA min staffing in the cabin). So yes they can be there, under certain circumstances.
Sweet, that's good news, good to hear we have an agreement.....any idea when that happened. I must've missed the 'memo.' Thanks for the information guys. I knew our FA's had agreements w/ JetBlue....but that was the only one I was aware of. Regardless, as I said before, I'm happy to help someone get to work regardless of 'agreements.'
Qgar, get on the union to start working on reciprocal jumpseat agreements with other airlines.