Comair Crash today (fatal)

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Horrible.


Video on CNN feeds. Video shows the crash site... a few hundred yards off the end of 26 with a long impact trail ( in line with 26 ) and the large section of fuselage wreckage under a line of trees. That, based on the limited info, either explains a lot or is very misleading.
 
IF the plane did take off from the wrong runway, i hope someone does a check on their crew rest/layover time!!! it could very well be that fatigue is involved since it was one of the first flights of the day and if ATC told them runway 22, then they should check out ATC's crew rest times too...
 
EricPalmer said:
Horrible.


Video on CNN feeds. Video shows the crash site... a few hundred yards off the end of 26 with a long impact trail ( in line with 26 ) and the large section of fuselage wreckage under a line of trees. That, based on the limited info, either explains a lot or is very misleading.
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My thoughts as well....friggin sucks. God bless
 
JaceTheAce said:
Oh man I really hate hearing things like this. I'm not going to speculate until we hear what the NTSB says.
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I agree 100% Jason, let us not turn this into a monday Qback thing, show a little respect and pray for the families involved.


God speed to the victims, a speedy recovery to the survivor...
 
So much focus from the media morons about how they took off from the wrong runway.

Who's to say they weren't returning to the field, and that 26 was the best choice for the quickest return?

We'll know for sure in a few months. God bless them all.
 
the runway was too short, they probably had enough distance to take off anyway even if it might have been a steep angle (unless the tail hit and that helped things along).
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But they might have come to the end of the runway before they were at take off speed and were stalling trying to make it. I am sure Doug can explain it better.........
 
It is starting to look like the media has a point with this short runway theory. Let's hope they didn't take the first runway they came to after leaving the terminal. From the aerial view though, you can see the accident site is right at the end of 26. I would imagine at O'dark thirty and after minimal sleep last night it would be easy to take the wrong runway there?

http://www.naco.faa.gov/d-tpp/0608/00697AD.PDF

Noted at the bottom: "Runway 8/26 unusable for landing or taxiing of takeoff over 12000 lbs." I would almost assume that this means takeoff too? Seems odd that the word "takeoff" is not on the note.
 
Bog said:
So much focus from the media morons about how they took off from the wrong runway.

Who's to say they weren't returning to the field, and that 26 was the best choice for the quickest return?

We'll know for sure in a few months. God bless them all.
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http://www.kentucky.com/mld/kentucky/15375985.htm

The owner of the farm where Comair Flight 5191 crashed said the plane “obviously … used the wrong runway."
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Well if a Farm Owner says so, it must be true.....:whatever:

...and another great media blip......

....The smaller runway is for use by small aircraft, not commercial planes....
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Timbuff10 said:
It is starting to look like the media has a point with this short runway theory. Let's hope they didn't take the first runway they came to after leaving the terminal. From the aerial view though, you can see the accident site is right at the end of 26. I would imagine at O'dark thirty and after minimal sleep last night it would be easy to take the wrong runway there?

http://www.naco.faa.gov/d-tpp/0608/00697AD.PDF

Noted at the bottom: "Runway 8/26 unusable for landing or taxiing of takeoff over 12000 lbs." I would almost assume that this means takeoff too? Seems odd that the word "takeoff" is not on the note.
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I could definately see taking off on 26 instead of 22. If the crew was using flex thrust (assuming Comair does that, too), then they would be using the t/o numbers for 22. Probably wouldn't have known it was the wrong runway until it was too late.

Rest playing a factor was one of the first things that popped up in another forum, and I'm sure it'll get a good look. Thoughts go out to the families and to the FO.
 
Hey even a dead clock is right twice a day. As far as the media saying "the smaller runway is for use by small aircraft, not commericial planes", it looks like they are right. Look at the airport diagram and my post above. What planes in the 121 world are less than 12000 lbs?
 
kellwolf said:
I could definately see taking off on 26 instead of 22.
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The other thing I was thinking of is, what if ATC made a mistake and said 26 instead of 22 when they cleared you? Perhaps ATC just was talking to someone who used the shorter runway and still had that one on the mind? At that time of day, if you get even slightly complacent which no matter how professional you are it would be easy to do, I wouldn't put it past any human, pilot, controller, farmer, or rocket scientist.

To me, it just looks like an easy trap to fall into that early in the morning before the sun was up.
 
The shorter runway there is daytime use only, and I don't know if anyone would have been using it that early in the morning. Certainly when all the tapes are pulled and listened to, it will be verified which runway they were cleared too.
 
It sure looks like they bit off on the wrong runway during taxi out. It is a very easy runway to misalign with given the taxiway layout. From the news video...it appears that the elevated signage may not have been re-installed yet after the repaving. If that's the case...a real gotchya.

Still, such an elementary error that it's hard for me to believe a professional flight crew falling error to. Those guys had to have been there a hundred times before and well aware of the layout. Maybe 26 was the intended runway of departure...although I can't imagine why.
 
Timbuff10 said:
Hey even a dead clock is right twice a day. As far as the media saying "the smaller runway is for use by small aircraft, not commericial planes", it looks like they are right. Look at the airport diagram and my post above. What planes in the 121 world are less than 12000 lbs?
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Actually it says Runway 8-26 not usable for landing or taxiing of aircraft over 12,000 lbs. gross weight so theorectically take off from that runway would be ok.
 
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