CNN reviews Gulfstream Academy

That's very true, I would almost argue it could be construed as "false advertising" in a way. They do disclose it, but it's certainly not advertised. Something I wonder about this Colgan crash is if congress might be interested in forcing airlines to do the flying they sell their tickets on, at least domestically.

Thing is, they have an out in regards to and kind of false advertising. As you know, when you buy your ticket online, if one of your connections or the flight itself is the codeshare partner, it does have the tiny asterik next to it pointing you to the fineprint at the bottom of the page telling you who the actual operator is.......typical fineprint though. It's their "out" for anyone saying they didn't disclose.
 
There was a Gulfstream Airlines segment on Fox & Friends this morning on the FNC. I saw it leaving the hotel but I didn't get the catch the segment, did anyone see it?
 
If Gulfstream is such a scandalous place, and is fair game for honest criticism and intense scrutiny, why are the enablers getting a pass? The planes say Continental on the side, and to the average dumb dumb going from Salt Lake to Nassau, they think they are riding on Continental....
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The answer to this question is simple! Its cost! They only have to pay one pilot. Imagine how much cheaper Gulfstream's operating cost is because of it? Imagine how much cheaper it is for Continental to use Gulfstream over some of the other regionals because of it? It always comes down to whats cheapest!
 
Just as a counterpoint, even though they were thousands of hours removed from the program, as a CFI you understand about certain unalienable truths, like the law of primacy.

From the FOI (which I absolutely agree with) "Normal Individuals begin to respond rapidly and exactly, within the limits of their experience and training. Many responses are automatic, which points out the need for proper training in emergency operations prior toan actual emergency. The affected individual thinks rationally, acts rationally and is extremely sensitive to all aspects of the surroundings."

You may be able to attach accidents to either training curricula, but, by the time you get to the regionals, you're probably not coached in basic airmanship,

I understand your point - but I don't think you can get into Gulfstream unless you have your commercial. If that's the case, weren't the airmanship deficiencies learned in PPL, instrument, and commercial training? So the sequence these unfortunate pilots followed is (1) PPL through comm (where they learned basic airmanship; (2) Gulfstream (where they flew for 250 hours VFR in the Bahamas and Florida); and finally, (3) Pinnacle/Colgan/Comair.

Step 1 is where they learned basic airmanship, like how to recognize and recover from a stall. Step 3 is where they learned to fly for their airlines and where they had their unfortunate accidents. But the blame for these accidents is placed at Step 2 - 250 hours flying VFR in the Bahamas for Gulfstream?

That's a bad argument, gentlemen, no matter how much you hate PFJ.
 
i agree and disagree with the above. The fundamentals of flight (Step 1) is the core of the problem; step 2 does nothing to correct the behavior, and step 3 most assuredly assumes problems were corrected during training and time building (step 1+2)

I don't believe it is a bad argument, because the time building phase is one where deficient areas can be corrected (Hence the term of a private pilot certificate being a licence to learn). Since the time building is during a PFJ, there is no vested interested in correcting problems, only keeping a customer happy.

Interesting none the less.
 
The answer to this question is simple! Its cost! They only have to pay one pilot. Imagine how much cheaper Gulfstream's operating cost is because of it? Imagine how much cheaper it is for Continental to use Gulfstream over some of the other regionals because of it? It always comes down to whats cheapest!
Agreed wholeheartedly as to why. I am making a prescriptive statement. They do this without taking a "hit". As long as they get off with a pass, why would they demand higher standards. As far as I am concerned CNN is doing an exposé on Gulfstream, when it really should be hitting Continental.
 
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