CNN reviews Gulfstream Academy
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SpiraMirabilis
Possible Subversive
Next we need some newspaper to write about them using automobile parts in their airplanes... maybe we can get their certificate revoked, or at least COA to drop them??? Keep the dream alive!
surreal1221
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Gotta get some Viral Videos out there to make COA drop them.
Any ideas?
Any ideas?
Screaming_Emu
Joe Conventional
Any of these should do
http://www.gulfstreamacademy.com/testimonials.php
Todd, why aren't you on there?
AngelFuree
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It's insane. I just priced a ticket from JFK-SEA, non-stop, ROUND TRIP, $239.20 taxes included. Seriously, this stuff is unheard of on other parts of the world.
tonyw
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I'm afraid I don't share your optimism.
The second there's another octomom or American Idol was fixed distraction, the American public will forget all about this.
As H.L. Mencken said a long time ago, no one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public.
Mencken was a cynical son of a bitch, but he's so right.
wheelsup
Well-Known Member
Supply and demand w/ a perishable product. Solution? Continue to cut back flights. If there were 1 flight between New York City and San Francisco a day how much do you think the tickets would be? Probably in the $800 range. People like to point out about management doing a crap job (let's face it, it's true) but on the other hand you have to feel for them.
True story: A few months ago I was looking online for ticket prices to Europe. I noticed that buying a round trip ticket actually costs less than a one way. Like one way is $2000, where a round trip is only $1200. I googled and found an article in the New York Times that talked a little bit about why round trip tickets costs less. It had all sorts of examples of round trip prices compared to one way prices. FOr instance it costs $320 to go from Seattle to Charlotte one way, then it costs only $224 to do that same route round trip. As I was reading, I noticed weird little things like the author mentioning the ticket reservations are handled by a "computer system". I thought "what the heck isn't these days, why even mention that?" Then the article started to mention TWA's prices. I said "whaa?", scrolled up and saw the article was published in 1983. You'd think the ticket prices in 1983 dollars would be the tip off that this was an old-ass article, but no. Ticket prices haven't changes a bit since the early 80's.
edit: found the article. It was printed in 1984: http://www.nytimes.com/1984/01/29/t...an-one-way.html?sec=travel&spon=&pagewanted=2
edit: found the article. It was printed in 1984: http://www.nytimes.com/1984/01/29/t...an-one-way.html?sec=travel&spon=&pagewanted=2
SpiraMirabilis
Possible Subversive
Those wacky computer "systems"! Need to call the home office, reprogram the punch cards!
Customx
Well-Known Member
That is insane. A flight from Seoul to Tokyo, which only takes about 1.5 hours costs at least $350 round trip. A 4-5 hour flight from Seoul to Singapore or Thailand costs AT LEAST $500, but usually its about $700. I have no problem paying that much money because no other airline in this region charges less. IF airlines in America were to raise fares across the board, the general public would have no choice but to pay.
AngelFuree
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That's so true. There's just too much competition.
If you guys are suggesting artifically decreasing supply to raise ticket prices hoping the increased revenue trickles down to benefit labor, that's pissing in the wind. Those theories are akin to asking the government to eliminate all foreign automobile imports so that GM, Ford, and Chrysler can double their prices with the hope that the increased revenue trickles down to UAW members building cars nobody wants to buy. Results? Inflated prices, crappy product, angry public.
Look, the public likes low ticket prices, so the market demands it. That pilot salaries have tumbled has less to do with ticket prices than it does inefficient, 1960's-era airline business models that lose billions every year.
When managed correctly, airlines can sell reasonably priced tickets, create a fiercely loyal and happy customer base, earn profits year after year after yar, and pay pilots VERY well = Southwest Airlines.
Look, the public likes low ticket prices, so the market demands it. That pilot salaries have tumbled has less to do with ticket prices than it does inefficient, 1960's-era airline business models that lose billions every year.
When managed correctly, airlines can sell reasonably priced tickets, create a fiercely loyal and happy customer base, earn profits year after year after yar, and pay pilots VERY well = Southwest Airlines.
jynxyjoe
Queso King
While I think I agree with most of your points, I don't think you'll find Southwest making money this year. But I could be wrong on that, just what I've been hearing for months now.
Probably not. . .let's be realistic. I person will say, as they've always said. . .I'll pay the "tuition" and go fly the big jets. . .and not make the mistakes made by those previously. They'll perceive themselves simply as better pilots than those involved in the accidents on the video.
They'll say. . .
1. Very few crashes (3) in ten years?
2. No crashes identified by GIA on their routes ( I do love the Bahamas)
3. Pilots are hired by many other airlines (Plenty of opportunities to be mentored by senior left seaters until I become more experienced.
4. This is the "instant gratification" generation. More money, more status. . .like "right now." If there's a shortcut, they are going to take it.
Sorta the same analogy I believed I used as a young private in Vietnam. . .the stats NEVER apply to me when it's negative.
1. In a combat environment, I'll never be shot. I'll never die in combat.
2. I can drive drunk/high and not get caught nor will I kill anyone.
3. I can screw without a condom and not catch an STD or make a baby unless I want to do so.
4. I'll always get promoted ahead of my peers.
5. I will become a pilot before I'm 50.
Didn't get shot until I was 15 years into my military career. Did so because I did something stupid. (So much for experience)
PGT
Well-Known Member
Nothing will happen, it's simply today's hot news item. It will go away in 2 weeks and NOTHING will change with this industry.
There I said it.
And nothing should happen. It's a stupid issue. The CNN report focused on Gulfstream putting guys in the right seat with three months of training? Those Gulfstream pilots had their wet commercials and trained for three months before taking the right set in the B1900.
Last year, in 2008, Eagle, ASA, Great Lakes, Mesa were ALL hiring wet commercials and then putting them on the line after the airlines' in-house training (less than three months). The GIA guys'/gals' experience levels were no different than many of the 2008 new hires at Eagle and the rest, and in 2008 their three-month training EXCEEDED the training of many of the "respectable" regionals. But it's GIA getting roasted in the media?
There are those on this board who are in ecstasy because GIA is getting roasted in the media - but only because of a visceral hate of PFJ. The CNN story focuses on low-hour pilots on the line at GIA, when ALL regionals were doing it last year.
Whether you are a Gulfstreamer or hate GIA with a passion, the CNN story is ridiculously devoid of balance. I hope GIA stands up for itself and its 1700 alumni flying at every airline in this country.
No I did not and do not go to Gulfstream. Just can't stand ignorant reporting.
Ignorant? Not really. . .just not as comprehensive and thorough as one would like. . .but then it's the news.
wheelsup
Well-Known Member
When the airlines are making money it's a lot easier to negotiate pay raises vs. pay cuts in bankruptcy court. Decreasing supply of seats on the market is needed to bring the airlines (collectively) back into profitability.
I'm qualified!