Changing the lav

dasleben said:
You haven't lived until you've cleaned puke out of the back of a 402. In uniform.
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Puke is nothing. You haven't lived until you've had to take a fork and knife to a turd because the rubber flapper in a Citation Excel lav is so stiff, only one with perfect aim and the right turd circumference can avoid the embarrassment of tapping the pilot on the shoulder and saying "It wont go down."
 
dustoff17 said:
I look at the plane and see two. You're 93 gauge aircraft must be very interesting.
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They're one piece.

Well, they're probably many pieces put together to be one piece before mated to the aircraft...but they're one piece when mated.

You write this only because you've never seen one assembled.
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Would you like to bet lunch on that?

Wait...are you saying it's because I've never seen a Cj assembled (being put together) or it's because I've never seen an assembled wing separate from the aircraft body?

...because I've seen plenty of aircraft in the hangar with the wing elsewhere in the hangar. It really makes you think twice about that whole "maximum zero fuel weight". (Two, to me, is plenty. Sometimes I don't want to know what goes on in the mx hangar...)

But no, I have not seen the assembly line.

There are two wings, assembled in two different places, put together with the center section, then mated to the plane in one piece.
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On a CJ? Nope. One piece with a divider in the middle for the fuel tanks and a skid pad on the bottom. They're one wing, separated in the middle and mated to the aircraft with...I think it's 4 or 6 bolts. My memory is saying 4, but my memory is also telling me I should have hit driver where I hit driver today and it was waaaaaaaaaay too much...so take that for what it's worth.

You can't take one wing off without taking off the other; therefore, it's wings.
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Uh...you can't take one off without taking the other off because they're one piece. It's a wing. Singular.

contactground.9 said:
Wait a minute, so, there is a compartment that you pull out and carry? I'm a little confused. Me no fly baby jet.
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Yeah, you close the knife valve, disconnect the hose, pull on the clips, slide it out, grab it by the handle and walk from the back of the plane all the way to the front.

Open the cap and dump into a toilet and flush. Add water, dump again and flush. Rinse, repeat until you're happy. Then add blue goo (or the powdered crap and then water) and close the cap tightly.

To put it back in, you slide the lav onto the rails, push the clips in and give it a tug. Secure? Good. Connect the hose and lift the seat. If the valve is flush with the hole, you've got it in properly. Open the valve. If the valve is tilted, it's not on the rails properly. Remove and try again.

It's not really that bad. The worst part is the dumping, but our pax don't crap in the lav......they crap in their pants (seriously). So it's not that bad.

-mini
 
Luckily in all my years on a ramp the only lav i have ever had to service is on the A300 and it is rediculously simple and clean. Well as clean as lav service gets anyways. Not quite the nightmare some of you have had to deal with.
 
contactground.9 said:
Interesting, I figured there was just a hole on the side where you connected a hose and pumped it out, kind of like on an RV.
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Not in the baby-jet.

It's something I long for. That, and a stand-up cabin. Plus an APU. A cabin-attendant (our untrained-unofficial-not-technically-crew-member-but-going-to-be-smoking-hot equivalent of an airline's FA) would be nice.

In that order.

-mini
 
minitour said:
[technical nazi hat]
Wing.

There's only one.

...or I guess if I'm wearing the Technical Nazi Hat, ahem....

VING!!!

There's only vun!!!

[/technical nazi hat]

:D

-mini
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So if you have a boot that won't inflate and MX asks you which wing it's on you tell her...what? That there's only one wing!!!
 
dustoff17 said:
I look at the plane and see two. You're 93 gauge aircraft must be very interesting.

You write this only because you've never seen one assembled. There are two wings, assembled in two different places, put together with the center section, then mated to the plane in one piece.

You can't take one wing off without taking off the other; therefore, it's wings.
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I've been in a Hawker with the floor pulled up and saw the spar. I sit on top of the spar in a Duke, and have sat on top of the spar in a Bonanza. You can't take one wing off the Lear unless the other one goes with it; they're attached by that pesky spar.

Care to explain?
 
minitour said:
They're one piece. -mini
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"They" what? What is the "they" that you refer to?

minitour said:
Wait...are you saying it's because I've never seen a Cj assembled (being put together).....

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But no, I have not seen the assembly line.

On a CJ? Nope. One piece with a divider in the middle for the fuel tanks and a skid pad on the bottom. They're one wing, separated in the middle and mated to the aircraft with...I think it's 4 or 6 bolts. My memory is saying 4, but my memory is also telling me I should have hit driver where I hit driver today and it was waaaaaaaaaay too much...so take that for what it's worth.

Uh...you can't take one off without taking the other off because they're one piece. It's a wing. Singular. -mini
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Come see the assembly line next time you're anywhere near Wichita. Then we can talk about the lunch....
 
TFaudree_ERAU said:
I've been in a Hawker with the floor pulled up and saw the spar. I sit on top of the spar in a Duke, and have sat on top of the spar in a Bonanza. You can't take one wing off the Lear unless the other one goes with it; they're attached by that pesky spar.

Care to explain?
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I guess we'll have to get all the way down and define "wing". The spar is part of the wing much like the skin but is it "wing"? In most of the Citation aircraft, the wings are assembled seperately (one left and one right - hence, two "wings"), then either mated together or mated with a center section, then mated to the fuselage and held into place with 4 bolts. You can't pull the floor up in a newer Citation and touch the wing spar. The Lear aircraft are not all assembled in this same fashion, in some of the assemblies, the wing is assembled directlly to the fuselage.

The point I was making is that on a CJ3, the upper section (the part with the windows) had be removed from the lower section (the part with the wheels attached) in order to repair corrosion damage. But that point was lost in this hunt to correct others.

I was just trying to relay to others the importance of making sure the lav wasn't overserviced.
 
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I see two wings. The people are holding one, and the other one is resting in the fuselage waiting for the pins to be put in.

(btw, lav systems on gliders are amazingly clean and simple :pirate: )
 
You guys are arguing about wing vs wings? And here I thought I was banned from FI.....

After being a line guy for 10 years, and now flying an airplane with a pullout for over 2 years, I've seen some scary stuff. But at least now that I am a pilot, if its REALLY scary, I can NO MAS!
 
SteveC said:
So if you have a boot that won't inflate and MX asks you which wing it's on you tell her...what? That there's only one wing!!!
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I'd go to a different mechanic. Our boots are on the tail only. If she doesn't know that just by looking, we've got problems.

Problem #1...it's a she. :D

-mini
 
minitour said:
They're one piece.

...but they're one piece when mated.
-mini
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Still awaiting an answer...what is "they"?

minitour said:
On a CJ? Nope. One piece with a divider in the middle for the fuel tanks and a skid pad on the bottom. .....
-mini
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So, which part of this "middle" section you mention produces lift?

WING.....
h : an airfoil that develops a major part of the lift which supports a heavier-than-air aircraft
 
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