Challenger Truckee

Read a eye witness account from a pilot who landed before them. Sounds like they overshot final in the circle and were too aggressive in there correction.
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The circle approach is restricted into their in most GOM's that I've read.

I flew a VFR pattern to that runway a few years ago. It is a pretty challenging approach. I did it in the Challenger 350 that wing has a wing that performs a lot better than the 600 series.
 
You can see the reflection in the windshield of the vehicle to the far right. Freeze frame the video as the plane passes over….it looks like it’s in a “knife-edge” maneuver.

RIP……
 
Overshooting final over-corrections in an attempt to salvage, have killed a fair number of swept-wing jet pilots for many decades. Accept the overshoot and if you can maintain circling MDA, able to keep the airfield in sight, and are able to remain within the circling distance for your category, then just circle around again and set it back up.

I can still remember circling Category E on one TACAN approach in the F-117……214 knots to circle, computed for weight. That used about all of the circling protected area that existed. And that was with moderate maneuvering, but nothing aggressive, in a jet with a permanent 68 degree wing sweep.

Now, if they were indeed Cat D and they were shooting this approach, with or without circling, that would be problematic.
 
Space Monkey said:
RIP. :(

THIS... is why we can't have nice things - like circling approaches, and hand flying, and airmanship, and the ability to instruct in experimentals, and...

One day, pilots are going to be able to fly their airplanes. That will be the day Google delivers the self-flying plane avionics stack, I guess. ... SAD.
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Space Monkey said:
Yeah, THAT doesn't look right.

CVR prediction machine printout (assuming the PM was substantially more than a wet commercial with a pulse)...

16:18:22 CAM1: "You still got the airfield?"
16:18:24 CAM2: "Ah... I think... ahh .... "
16:18:25 CAM2: "Ahhh....A little fast..."
16:18:30 CAM2: "Go around?"
16:18:31 CAM1: "Naw, we got this."
16:18: 33 CAM1: " # # "
16:18: 34 ----- EOR
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Dude. It just happened, 3 people are dead, we have no idea what occurred. Seriously? Like, seriously?
 
MikeD said:
Overshooting final over-corrections in an attempt to salvage, have killed a fair number of swept-wing jet pilots for many decades. Accept the overshoot and if you can maintain circling MDA, able to keep the airfield in sight, and are able to remain within the circling distance for your category, then just circle around again and set it back up.

I can still remember circling Category E on one TACAN approach in the F-117……214 knots to circle, computed for weight. That used about all of the circling protected area that existed. And that was with moderate maneuvering, but nothing aggressive, in a jet with a permanent 68 degree wing sweep.

Now, if they were indeed Cat D and they were shooting this approach, with or without circling, that would be problematic.
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The CRJ-200 is Cat D but the Challenger is significantly lighter so it wouldn't surprise me if it's Cat C. Someone else who knows would have to chime in.
 
trafficinsight said:
The CRJ-200 is Cat D but the Challenger is significantly lighter so it wouldn't surprise me if it's Cat C. Someone else who knows would have to chime in.
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I was basing my comment by amichael’s assertion on page 1 regarding the Challenger being Cat D. If that is true (which I don’t know specifically), then it would raise questions indeed.
 
Fatals increased to four.



26-JUL-21		18:45:00ZN605TRTRUCKEECALIFORNIABOMBARDIER/CL-600-2B16ACCIDENTSUBSTANTIAL4AIRCRAFT CRASHED UNDER UNKNOWN CIRCUMSTANCES SHORT OF THE RUNWAY AND CAUGHT ON FIRE, TRUCKEE, CA.
 
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