Challenger crashed onto highway in Naples FL

[guywhoflies]

New here. Hi all. Regarding the the DEF, Prist conversation, I work line at the sole FBO at CLT. Not sure about other places but we have a Prist tank and a DEF tank on all our fuel trucks. So the Prist gets mixed in in the fueling process with the turn of a knob if requested. Obviously the DEF and Prist tanks are clearly labeled but mistakes could happen. The DEF and Prist refilling areas are clearly marked and labeled and are kept about 100 yards from each. Further making extra steps not to confuse or combine the 2.
If you're ever at Wilson Air at CLT during the night say hi. I usually have a smile unless a Lav is requested

Welcome to JC. Thanks for the insight from a line technician perspective. Most of us on here are airline pilots, but there are some 91/135 guys and gals, too. Cheers!

 

[dustoff17]

Coldest I've ever seen was -80c but I’ve spent my fair amount of time cruising at -70c in aircraft without Prist for the same reason. Never have an issue.

It’ll take a little research to confirm but I think most the DEF contamination events were almost immediate, rather than during the descent.

Agreed, DEF is significantly heavier than Jet fuel so it gets to have fun first!

 

[Pilot Fighter]

That's happened across all industries (military, charter, airline...), but I haven't heard anything reporting that had an engine issue or declaring an emergency before landing on road. Then again, I haven't combed through all of it either, nor have I listened to the LiveATC feed.

Shutdown of good engine caused USAF E-11A crash

A US Air Force (USAF) crew shut down their only good engine prior to the fatal crash of a Bombardier E-11A communications aircraft in Afghanistan's Ghazni province.

www.flightglobal.com

 

[footloose]

Man..


View: https://twitter.com/BNONews/status/1757181949418918273?t=11Sdk0OqgEYxS0ONneRNOg&s=19

 

[NovemberEcho]

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[Boris Badenov]

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That's hard to watch. Almost looks like if they'd been slightly more aligned with the road they might not have hit the wall and brewed up, but then how many more cars would they have crunched? "A for effort", whatever the Rest of The Story may turn out to be.

 

[NovemberEcho]

That's hard to watch. Almost looks like if they'd been slightly more aligned with the road they might not have hit the wall and brewed up, but then how many more cars would they have crunched? "A for effort", whatever the Rest of The Story may turn out to be.

My thoughts as well. If they’d successfully landed on the road the death toll would probably have been higher even if they lived.

 

[roundout]

New here. Hi all. Regarding the the DEF, Prist conversation, I work line at the sole FBO at CLT. Not sure about other places but we have a Prist tank and a DEF tank on all our fuel trucks. So the Prist gets mixed in in the fueling process with the turn of a knob if requested. Obviously the DEF and Prist tanks are clearly labeled but mistakes could happen. The DEF and Prist refilling areas are clearly marked and labeled and are kept about 100 yards from each. Further making extra steps not to confuse or combine the 2.
If you're ever at Wilson Air at CLT during the night say hi. I usually have a smile unless a Lav is requested

Perhaps the answer to this question is obvious to everyone but me, but humor me. Why does the Jet Fuel truck have a DEF dispenser? do any aircraft use DEF?

(Yes, I know what it is, I drive a diesel, and I know what happens if it gets put in the wrong tank)

 

[Pilot Fighter]

That's hard to watch. Almost looks like if they'd been slightly more aligned with the road they might not have hit the wall and brewed up, but then how many more cars would they have crunched? "A for effort", whatever the Rest of The Story may turn out to be.

Tough day at the office.

Godspeed.

 

[footloose]

Perhaps the answer to this question is obvious to everyone but me, but humor me. Why does the Jet Fuel truck have a DEF dispenser? do any aircraft use DEF?

(Yes, I know what it is, I drive a diesel, and I know what happens if it gets put in the wrong tank)

No dispenser. Just a tank for the trucks diesel engine to use. But you could see were one could accidentally fill the Prist tank with DEF. There are plenty of things in the way to prevent that from happening. Hopefully.

 

[DeltaAlphaNovember]

New here. Hi all. Regarding the the DEF, Prist conversation, I work line at the sole FBO at CLT. Not sure about other places but we have a Prist tank and a DEF tank on all our fuel trucks. So the Prist gets mixed in in the fueling process with the turn of a knob if requested. Obviously the DEF and Prist tanks are clearly labeled but mistakes could happen. The DEF and Prist refilling areas are clearly marked and labeled and are kept about 100 yards from each. Further making extra steps not to confuse or combine the 2.
If you're ever at Wilson Air at CLT during the night say hi. I usually have a smile unless a Lav is requested

Hello from a former WAC CLT ramper. I worked there 2008-2010. I was furloughed from PSA at the time. I also worked there when it was still Signature Flight Support from 1998-2003.

 

[footloose]

Hello from a former WAC CLT ramper. I worked there 2008-2010. I was furloughed from PSA at the time. I also worked there when it was still Signature Flight Support from 1998-2003.

Hey there. Yeah I like it. It's a good group of people here.

 

[DeltaAlphaNovember]

Hey there. Yeah I like it. It's a good group of people here.

I think there are still a handful of people I know that still work there from my days of working the ramp. I've not been there in a while. May have to poke my head in one day.

 

[KLB]

Hello from a former WAC CLT ramper. I worked there 2008-2010. I was furloughed from PSA at the time. I also worked there when it was still Signature Flight Support from 1998-2003.

I flew an Ameriflight metroliner through there on Sundays during that 2008-2010 timeframe.

 

[DeltaAlphaNovember]

I flew an Ameriflight metroliner through there on Sundays during that 2008-2010 timeframe.

What time did you usually fly in? I do remember a metroliner that would fly in and drop off newspapers. I think it was in the afternoon on Sundays.

 

[DeltaAlphaNovember]

And I apologize for the thread hijack.

 

[Richman]

No dispenser. Just a tank for the trucks diesel engine to use. But you could see were one could accidentally fill the Prist tank with DEF. There are plenty of things in the way to prevent that from happening. Hopefully.

Day one in “Engineering Design” taught by an old school ME: “Every time you think you’ve made something idiot-proof, the world makes a bigger idiot”

 

[Roger Roger]

Day one in “Engineering Design” taught by an old school ME: “Every time you think you’ve made something idiot-proof, the world makes a bigger idiot”

I never call something idiot proof. At best it’s “highly idiot resistant”

 

[derg]

I don’t get it. What does liberals and non-union have anything to do with it?

Unless you’re implying liberals/Democrats are more labor friendly. Yeah, it was liberals who stopped Spirit/JetBlue, potentially putting Spirit in an Chp 11 (or even Chp 7 according to some analysts).

The DNC is immeasurably more pro-labor than the GOP.

What questions can anyone sane answer for you?

 

[derg]

Day one in “Engineering Design” taught by an old school ME: “Every time you think you’ve made something idiot-proof, the world makes a bigger idiot”

Hence, the "uncrashable" airbus. Humans just get more creative.