CFI position , Seattle - please read the requirements

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That portion of the website hasn't been updated for two years.. but I am working on a deal with a crew resourcing company and an airline overseas. If you are willing to leave the country you will be able to get a job with a CPL and a FAA 737 type rating.
 
guywhoflies said:
I am not affiliated with Acuwings, but even if they have some connection to any major carriers I doubt it is worth much at this point in time. To give you an example, ALLATPS has hiring agreements with a number of regionals but they aren't worth the paper they are printed on right now. Two years ago, people were getting hired with less hours than the reduced minimum hiring agreements, but not anymore. In addition, I doubt we will see anything like what we saw two years ago for a very long time (especially if a 1500 hr. rule is passed). Not trying to bust your bubble, just trying to give you a realistic answer.
Good luck.:beer:
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I'm not so sure about that, about 20 (not sure of the exact number) current instructors were given interviews that met mins. And people that have more time than these guys did not, so I wouldn't say that they were worth nothing... Instructors that still work there received calls to send their resumes, but folks like me who dont work there anymore..... No call..
 
SeattlePilot said:
That portion of the website hasn't been updated for two years.. but I am working on a deal with a crew resourcing company and an airline overseas. If you are willing to leave the country you will be able to get a job with a CPL and a FAA 737 type rating.
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Wow, I understand you're try to promote your business and all, but this is the stuff that most of the guys here get all wound up about, and with good reason!

I know guys that have multiple types including the 73 and thousands of hours in type and they can't get a decent paying FO job overseas. Your telling me you can get a job for someone with a wet CPL and fresh 73 type! Sorry, but even I have to toss the Bullpoo flag on that one.

You never did answer the question.... What is your payscale for CFI's, or is that proprietary information?
 
You could have won your argument by simply stating: 'Actually the pay is $2x' (Insert pay suitable for the kind of professional you claim to want). The fact that you didn't, and instead chose to attack me not only proves me right but should tell prospective employees all they need to know.

I comment on many job postings from schools paying significantly below industry standard, or requiring cfi's to pay for checkouts. This forum is filled with people who criticize gojets and the pilots who fly for them for exactly the same reasons. You get no special treatment because you cry about it.

You keep bringing up some girl who moved on to a better job, but what do you expect?

I believe it was also Socrates who said: 'Pay peanuts, get monkeys'.
 
wjmiller3 said:
I'm not so sure about that, about 20 (not sure of the exact number) current instructors were given interviews that met mins. And people that have more time than these guys did not, so I wouldn't say that they were worth nothing... Instructors that still work there received calls to send their resumes, but folks like me who dont work there anymore..... No call..
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Current instructors is the key word. Everyone that took the RJ course should be able to take advantage of the ATP recommendation. I meet the mins and completed the course but Paul Templeton won't give me the time of day because I don't work for ATP. As from as I'm concern those agreements aren't worth the paper they are written on.
 
SeattlePilot said:
Vikingair,
very good points. Let me make one thing clear, there is nothing secretive about this business. Everyone can come in and inspect it all they want. You are correct about the fact that I put blood, sweat and tears into this business to build it from 1 airplane operation and a pipe dream to 11 airplanes in less than 5 years. I spent thousands of dollars fighting a City that doesn't want flight instruction in their airport by taking the case all the way to Washington DC.

On the other hand, it seams to me that some of the members of this board didn't even get to know anything what Socrates meant. NickH has been constantly talking trash about this business.

http://forums.jetcareers.com/jobs-available-members-only/97042-ferry-pilot-washignton.html

I don't even know who he is. May be someone who didn't like the offer we made to him.. Then you move on...
On another thread someone disseminated bad info about our company that was not based on fact. This person, came to us, got checked out for free on all of the airplanes and when she found another job she left telling us 'My brother died in a car crash. I need to be with my family' ..Yet it seems to me that people like this hold more credibility on these boards than someone who is willing and looking to hire an experienced instructor.

http://forums.jetcareers.com/jobs-available-members-only/87131-acuwings.html


You are correct, aviation is a very small community. A pilot friend of mine reminded me that 'the toes you are stepping onto might be connected to the asses that have to kiss one day'.. I think you get the picture..

The other thing is, I have always hired instructors according to my perception of their personal integrity.(Although we have made mistakes before) You can teach someone how to teach properly, but you cannot teach a person the integrity.

So, instead of hijacking my own thread, the position will become available mid March. If there is anyone willing to work , here's an opportunity. If you are interested , apply. Thanks in advance.
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For the moment, I think I'm going to have to go with Nick. He mentioned the pay, and said it wasn't enough for a professional instructor. I tend to agree. I more than meet your hiring minimums, but I'm not going to bother sending a resume since apparently, $15/hr is what you're actually going to pay. I'm certainly not moving to Seattle for a $15/hr instructing job with no guaranteed hours.

It's absolutely nothing personal. I have built a small business myself (smaller than yours, but still a business), and I don't cry to anyone about the "blood, sweat, and tears" I've put into it when they choose a different route. I simply keep improving my business. If that means I have to pay a little more to get better employees, that's what I do.

Quite frankly, I wish you the absolute best of luck. Running a small business is tough, and I do not disparage anyone for trying. On the other hand, if Nick is correct on your pay, you may have trouble finding an instructor who meets your minimums. I don't know. I'm not familiar with the flight training market in Seattle.
 
DL31082 said:
Current instructors is the key word. Everyone that took the RJ course should be able to take advantage of the ATP recommendation. I meet the mins and completed the course but Paul Templeton won't give me the time of day because I don't work for ATP. As from as I'm concern those agreements aren't worth the paper they are written on.
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Not to hijack this into an ATP thread, but alot of those agreements do not exist anymore. There used to be a bunch. Colgan, Eagle, and Cape Air are not listed anymore. And most of the others that are still listed have pilots on furlough. A few have hundreds on furlough.
 
wjmiller3 said:
I'm not so sure about that, about 20 (not sure of the exact number) current instructors were given interviews that met mins. And people that have more time than these guys did not, so I wouldn't say that they were worth nothing... Instructors that still work there received calls to send their resumes, but folks like me who dont work there anymore..... No call..
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I guess I should have said reduced hiring minimums. If someone meets published minimums then that is different, but the hiring agreements for reduced minimums are worthless nowadays.

Edit: They may not exist but most of the ATP locations still proudly hang them from their walls.

Hijack over, carry on.
 
Salary me at 30k a year plus bennies and I'll come out and be an assistant chief. No way I would do that for less.
 
Rudabega said:
Wendys wants a type rating.
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In what? the grill? Do I need to pay for and pass a 60 question written test and get signed off by a trainer to take the practical test on the art of grilling fat food. Where is the PTS for that I tried to look.... :rotfl:
 
msmspilot said:
On the other hand, if Nick is correct on your pay, you may have trouble finding an instructor who meets your minimums. I don't know. I'm not familiar with the flight training market in Seattle.
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Doubtful. We get a new resume everyday. If I told someone they could work for $7/hr, I guarantee I could have a new instructor by the days end. Sad state of affairs, but its true.
 
mojo6911 said:
Doubtful. We get a new resume everyday. If I told someone they could work for $7/hr, I guarantee I could have a new instructor by the days end. Sad state of affairs, but its true.
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Wow. I will deliver pizza again before I instruct for that. And I love to fly and teach. Oh well.
 
I guess I don't really get it...
Job = not up to your expectations = DON'T APPLY, someone else will. Slamming the OP is not going to change a darn thing. ;)

I am at a loss how OP intends to hire a "dedicated" individual if the general attitude is to avoid being ripped off. Integrity goes both ways and declaring everyone with less hours a crook may be a valid business model these days, but I doubt it will yield a true, and worth his dime CFI. I do not hide behind a username, but my honest question to the OP is:

"Define Integrity"

Have you considered building up your staff from within? You know, just blankly discarding lower time pilots and CFI's isn't going to fix your problem. Superficially it may, for a short period of time, but disrespect towards people who can truly turn out to be a resource for you won't stand the test of time. I am not trying to tell you how to run your business, I just doubt that the value you place on a CFI is proper.
You have different tools to check employees motives in a market like this. Use them and you will find.
 
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