Calling it Quits to Aviation as a Profession!

Bumblebee said:
I understand, I tried to make it in music for over 20 years, and I realized that I was not going to get to the point where I could afford the lifestyle of comfort and entertainment I would want, I would always struggle...so I finally quit doing it full time.
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I agree that with enough persistence you can probably do whatever you want. But by definition I think that can get to the point that it destroys everything else that's important in your life. When it hits that point, is it really a noble pursuit?
 
greaper007 said:
I agree that with enough persistence you can probably do whatever you want. But by definition I think that can get to the point that it destroys everything else that's important in your life. When it hits that point, is it really a noble pursuit?
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Exactly.

Bumblebee's logic seems to carry with it a sense of disdain towards those who decided to "quit," which I find slightly arrogant, regardless of how much HE has accomplished in aviation.
 
greaper007 said:
I agree that with enough persistence you can probably do whatever you want. But by definition I think that can get to the point that it destroys everything else that's important in your life. When it hits that point, is it really a noble pursuit?
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Good point, that we should really sticky somewhere!!
 
XLR99 said:
Good point, that we should really sticky somewhere!!
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I heard a good quote while I was bombed yesterday with some buds. Lets see if I can remember it.

"Work to live, not live to work."

I really should take that quote to heart.
 
greaper007 said:
I agree that with enough persistence you can probably do whatever you want. But by definition I think that can get to the point that it destroys everything else that's important in your life. When it hits that point, is it really a noble pursuit?
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Very true, but it all depends on what your priorities are. If your goals are your number one priority, then live your life around your goals. If there are other things more important to you, see to those needs first and then worry about your goals.
 
Bumblebee said:
This is not a knock on your character, but the fact is you did not have the persistence to make it in aviation.
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Bumblebee said:
Not saying you don't have an ability to be successful in this or any other field, you just didn't consider it important enough to demonstrate the commitment level it may require in this field.
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ILSstud said:
Exactly.

Bumblebee's logic seems to carry with it a sense of disdain towards those who decided to "quit," which I find slightly arrogant, regardless of how much HE has accomplished in aviation.
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I want you to find me a single place where I was arrogant, or dismissive of someone who decided that the potential in aviation was not worth the effort to persist until successful. Matter of fact in two posts I clearly made an effort to point out that that the act of deciding that aviation was not worth the persistence required was not a slam on your (or anyones) character. Any disdain you perceive is your own projection.

I don't know how much money you need to be comfortable, or to feel that your are being compensated for your value in aviation, but I feel that I am now well compensated for my time. Which was the original point of my post.

There are many here who feel that they are well compensated for their time in aviation as well, so money in aviation in fact, does exist...that was my original point. My point was made in the positive light over the cynics who tend to spread the bad news.

Persistence will get most people to their goals in aviation as well as other fields. If you quit, then you are not persistent, if you think you are persistent after you quit, then you are fooling yourself, not me.

You who do not believe that it is possible to make a good living as a pilot are welcome to your opinion, but you shouldn't get up in arms when someone who does believe (and can prove for that matter) that it is possible to have a good career, and be well compensated being a pilot states his truth.

We are here to inspire and show a pathway for people who want to make a career as pilots. I am glad you who decided this is not the way have found happiness in your current endeavors, truly, but you did not make it, so you do not know the path to a successful career. I intend to make sure that those who still have dreams of flying know that it is still possible, if it is what they really want and are......... persistent.:)
 
Bumblebee said:
I want you to find me a single place where I was arrogant, or dismissive of someone who decided that the potential in aviation was not worth the effort to persist until successful.
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Post number 18. But whatever. You said your piece. I said mine. I don't agree with you and you don't agree with me. That's not likely to change so best just to drop it.
 
ILSstud said:
I am sure there is "money" to be had, but for some the necessary amount of work as well luck is just not worth it in the end.
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again...the definition of a lack of persistence...

Joe Gremlin said:
Post number 18. But whatever. You said your piece. I said mine. I don't agree with you and you don't agree with me. That's not likely to change so best just to drop it.
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not dismissive or arrogant...just being clear....
 
Bumblebee said:
not dismissive or arrogant...just being clear....
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No, you were being arrogant, or at least you sounded that way. I know you don't think you were being arrogant. But here's a news flash, your post sounded arrogant and dismissive. Whether or not you intended it to come across that way doesn't matter. The fact remains that it sounds arrogant and dismissive.
 
The answer, like has been inferred, is "it depends". What's considered enough money to live off of for one person, may not be the same for the next.

In that context too, when people say "there's no money in aviation"; well.....there's no money in certain parts of aviation, specifically parts of aviation that are oversaturated with people, such as airlines, instructing, etc.....generally speaking.

I can say that I've been in aviation all my post-college life, and while I never felt rich, I was never really struggling either.........all the way from starting as a line guy, to traffic watch, to 135 VFR cargo single-engine, IFR single-engine, to 135 cargo multi engine, to military, to now LE.

It just depends.....on a number of factors.

For some reason though, there is a stigma against those who seem to be happy with what they're doing in aviation....ESPECIALLY if they're a regional pilot. Just an observation.
 
I'm coming late to comment, but persistence in my opinion is the wrong word to use. blah, blah, blah. Replace it with the term "WILLINGNESS" and you have the same thing. A WILLINGNESS to forgo a fair wage for the skill set you bring(consider all the training and investment the LIKELY return for the vast majority of professional pilots is like rolling the dice), a WILLINGNESS to put everything else on the back burner for a job(yes, it is a job. if someone tells you to go somewhere and do something that's a job, away from family and friends), of course when the times get bad and are facing a furlough or base change you have to have the WILLINGNESS to lean on family and friends to help support YOUR dream job.

Now with that said, I have plenty of friends who are happy in aviation. More power to them for doing it. Someone has to fly everyone around. If people have a WILLINGNESS to put everything else on the back-burner so there are two people up front in the cockpit while I sleep in the back after paying for an unreasonable low airfare that's the nature of the beast. I thank them for their PERSISTENCE.

Like the saying goes, in war the key is not to bleed for your cause... its to make the other guy bleed for his...
 
3green said:
Like the saying goes, in war the key is not to bleed for your cause... its to make the other guy bleed for his...
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Thats the beauty of whipsawing in the regional world, something the management know all too well, and the pilots seemingly succumb to if they're not careful.
 
Joe Gremlin said:
No, you were being arrogant, or at least you sounded that way. I know you don't think you were being arrogant. But here's a news flash, your post sounded arrogant and dismissive. Whether or not you intended it to come across that way doesn't matter. The fact remains that it sounds arrogant and dismissive.
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only if you cannot come to terms that if you QUIT doing something you were not persistent... I didn't make up the definition, I only provided it...

It sure seems to stick in your craw.

(This is me dismissing your fantasy that you were persistent in aviation when you QUIT)

I tried to point out that if aviation wasn't for you that's cool, but you are living in a dream world if you think that you were persistent in aviation when you QUIT.

from the dictionary

Main Entry: persistence
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: steadfastness
Synonyms: constancy, doggedness, endurance, grit, indefatigability, perseverance, pluck, resolution, stamina, tenacity


If you QUIT then you did not maintain the above traits when it came to aviation. That is a fact...sorry you don't want to face it.

OK...:deadhorse:
 
Bumblebee said:
only if you cannot come to terms that if you QUIT doing something you were not persistent... I didn't make up the definition, I only provided it...
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When did I claim I was persistent? I never made that claim nor will I. My problem is with your notion that I or anyone else who does not get what they were looking for out of aviation do so simply because they weren't persistent enough. Its a simplistic notion. It suggests that if you just keep working for peanuts long enough, you'll suddenly magically fall into the situation you were always looking for. I'm sorry that just isn't always so.
 
Joe Gremlin said:
When did I claim I was persistent? I never made that claim nor will I. My problem is with your notion that I or anyone else who does not get what they were looking for out of aviation do so simply because they weren't persistent enough. Its a simplistic notion. It suggests that if you just keep working for peanuts long enough, you'll suddenly magically fall into the situation you were always looking for. I'm sorry that just isn't always so.
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It's not magic, man, it's doing what I said in the first post that you and ILS seem to have taken umbrage with. It's networking, and doing the good work, and taking the crap jobs sometimes, but always keeping your resume ready and your eyes open for new jobs and opportunities...
I'm not saying you PERSONALLY quit, merely that if one QUITs, one, by definition, is not (maybe is no longer), and cannot be persistent...because of the definition of persistence, not because of me...LOL
 
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