Calling it Quits to Aviation as a Profession!
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ILSstud
Well-Known Member
I disagree. I am certainly persistent in the field that I chose to go into. I made the decision to not live on a CFI's salary (and ultimately starting salary of most regional jobs etc) because it is not the lifestyle that I was hoping to have. That doesn't mean I am not persistent or eager to make it in aviation. I just didn't have the wherewithal to live off less than 20,000 a year and pretend that it's ok because "flying gets me through it." It was a personal decision, and in the end I am happy for it. I fly personally and enjoy it far more. Lack of persistence? I don't think so. Practical? Perhaps.
Joe Gremlin
Well-Known Member
+1
Persistence is a noble trait, but only when there is a reasonable hope for a positive outcome. Terry Shiavo's family was persistent in keeping her alive just in case a miracle took place. But anyone with any medical training at all could tell you with absolute certainty that all the persistence in the world wouldn't have mattered in her case. She was never waking up and that was that. I was never going to get to a position in aviation where I felt like my salary was adequate compensation for the job I was doing. So sometimes you get the point where you realize that you only get one ride on this tuna boat and that ride is too short to waste on a career that is unsatisfying and has little hope of ever becoming satsifying.
Bumblebee
Commodore
You did not persist in your goal of getting to the money in aviation...therefore you were not persistent...it is a yes or no question. It merely means that, for you, the goal wasn't worth the price...that for you the price of persistence was not worth the goal of getting to a career position, or re-establishing one.
This is not a knock on your character, but the fact is you did not have the persistence to make it in aviation.
(quite different than waiting for some miracle)
This is not a knock on your character, but the fact is you did not have the persistence to make it in aviation.
(quite different than waiting for some miracle)
ILSstud
Well-Known Member
When you stand in my shoes, then you earn the right to tell me I wasn't persistent in aviation. Thanks.
flyingmaniac
Well-Known Member
What size?
Joe Gremlin
Well-Known Member
I will consider my point completely missed but entirely valid none the less. Likewise, feel free to consider me as someone who believes your point is entirely simplistic and invalid. Which is a very polite way of saying we'll have to agree to disagree.
Bumblebee
Commodore
not really a polite way, because it is a valid perspective (as is yours), mine is a pretty simple concept, but OK.
I thought I understood your point...
If it were important enough to you to be in aviation, you would have been able to have the commitment necessary to do it...it obviously wasn't, so you quit.
Not saying you don't have an ability to be successful in this or any other field, you just didn't consider it important enough to demonstrate the commitment level it may require in this field.
Screaming_Emu
Well-Known Member
Take me with you!
ChasenSFO
hen teaser
Good for you man, do what makes you happy, even better if what makes you happy makes you the money to indulge in your hobbies. Best of luck, buddy!
Looking at what Dale has accomplished in a pretty short period of time by working his ass off, I can see why he doesn't like hearing people say that they gave it their best but still didn't get there. I'm also a believer that if you work towards something its not a matter of IF, but a matter of WHEN you will attain your goals. I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed, but sooner or later I've always met my goals. Then again, I'm an optimist, and though I've been screwed pretty bad just trying to earn my PPL, I'm sure there is light at the end of the tunnel.
Looking at what Dale has accomplished in a pretty short period of time by working his ass off, I can see why he doesn't like hearing people say that they gave it their best but still didn't get there. I'm also a believer that if you work towards something its not a matter of IF, but a matter of WHEN you will attain your goals. I'm not the sharpest tool in the shed, but sooner or later I've always met my goals. Then again, I'm an optimist, and though I've been screwed pretty bad just trying to earn my PPL, I'm sure there is light at the end of the tunnel.
Bigey
Well-Known Member
Thanks bro for the words!
Hey, i give credit where it's due, and i tip my hats to those that have made it successfully in aviation. At this point though, my priorities have changed, and I gave it all I did at the time, but it's not that I didnt succeed, it's just that I chose to stop that path.
In complete straightforward talk, i'd be a complete MORON not to follow through with my catering stuff and our restaurant. Business is REALLY doing well. The allure of working for myself/family just sounds so much better than working for SOMEONE else and they get to reap the benefits of my hard work. Income is limitless when I'm the controller of it's cap, vs. a company dictating it.
Bumblebee
Commodore
exactly...I am proud of you for determining what is important to you, and pursuing that. You are very young, but so mature to understand that it is important to let go those dreams that have less value than others.
Bumblebee
Commodore
Persistence is defined as "voluntary continuation of a goal-directed action in spite of obstacles, difficulties, or discouragement".
Just as fear is a prerequisite for courage, challenge is a prerequisite for perseverance. Simply measuring how long someone sticks with a task does not adequately capture the essence of perseverance because continuing to perform something that is fun or easy does not involve the overcoming of obstacles or disappointment.
I can tell you right now, that if you have given up on a career in aviation, then by definition, you have not been persistent in developing a career in aviation...there is no, "I was persistent" or "I acted persistently"...you did not persist...period. Sorry.
I tried to be a music star for 22 years, and finally decided to quit trying to make it big in music...that doesn't mean I didn't have a solid work ethic, or that I did not give everything for 22 years, but it does mean I was not persistent... I think that is the disconnect we are having here, I am not slighting you or anyone at all for trying mightily to achieve your goals, but the fact is that ultimately, unless you achieve them, when you stop trying to achieve them, then persistence ends.
jtrain609
Antisocial Monster
Enjoy working with your family man. Hell I'd like working with your family, they're nice people!
Joe Gremlin
Well-Known Member
Well either you didn't understand my point or I don't understand yours. When I read someone saying I didn't succeed in aviation because I wasn't persistent enough, I take that to mean you believe I would have succeeded if I had only stayed in the game longer.
But as I said earlier, I realized that no matter how much I made in aviation, I would never feel like I was being compensated adequately for the work I was doing. Note the bolded the word. All the persistence in the world isn't going to change a rock into a sponge cake. You can be persistent and wait, but I can assure you, it isn't going to happen. Likewise, all the persistence in the world isn't going to make me feel like a salary that I could realistically make as a pilot would be enough to make me feel I was being justly compensated for the job I was doing. If it makes you feel better about your choices to say that I would have been able to make enough to feel justly compensated if I had simply waited longer, so be it. But I can assure you the reason did not succeed in aviation had nothing to do with a shortage of persistence.
Bumblebee
Commodore
I understand, I tried to make it in music for over 20 years, and I realized that I was not going to get to the point where I could afford the lifestyle of comfort and entertainment I would want, I would always struggle...so I finally quit doing it full time.
Joe Gremlin
Well-Known Member
again...the definition of a lack of persistence...
