C Series hits a.....snag

Cessnaflyer said:
I don't think Boeing is focusing their future on civil aviation right now. They've bought a few drone technology companies.
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Or are they?
You want to see innovation, how about the first single pilot or autonomous airliner?
;)
 
Beep said:
Or are they?
You want to see innovation, how about the first single pilot or autonomous airliner?
;)
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Inter/Intra City transport using automated drones.

If “flying cars” are ever going to work then automation of routes and speeds is the only way to achieve the kind of small vehicle saturation that provides the right mix of capacity and routes while being safe. That won’t have near the infrastructure costs of trains and provide a permanent flexibility that rail doesn’t enjoy. In competing markets there would be no sense building permanent structures when traffic patterns and needs change over time.


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H46Bubba said:
If Delta does cancel the order, which I hear that its not, I sure hope Boeing doesn't think Delta is going to come knocking for an order. Boeing was part of that RFP and all they could offer was 20 used E-190s from Air Canada or the 737-700 MAX. This may also put in jeapordy any future aircraft orders when Delta decides to order more aircraft. I foresee more business with Airbus.
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Fine with me.

I should go put some "Goof Off" on that Boeing sticker on my rollaboard and pull it off.

Plus the 787 is basically a plastic 767. Oh, neat.

Boeing, NASA called. They want their lack of drive and ambition back which they loaned you when you designed the first 737-900 and had the laughable thought that it was a true 757 replacement.

https://airwaysmag.com/industry/op-ed-design-plane-can-sue/
 
Seggy said:
Have you ever flown a Bombardier product?
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About 3000 hours in a CRJ. Is that enough?

Seggy said:
How many C Series are out there? How long have they been developing the plane? How many they have on order?
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Someone has to be a launch customer. How many 787 were out there before the first ones were ordered? How long did Boeing take to develop it?

It’s a new type. Quit being ridiculous. Or jelly that United let Boeing talk them out of the C series for more junky 737s.
 
Derg said:
Especially, "Deez".

(Don't leave me hanging! :) )
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Seggy said:
Have you ever flown a Bombardier product?


How many C Series are out there? How long have they been developing the plane? How many they have on order?

As stated, foolish....
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I rode on a c series in Switzerland and talked to the guys up front for a bit. There is a reason Boeing is trying to tank this thing. It will end the 737 line.

This airplane has nothing to do with the crj or the MegaWhacker.
 
So jokes aside, the 787 is hands down the biggest leap in structures for part 25 period. Boeing finally has the cumulative know-how of Bill Lear circa 1980.

I get you alls valid critique of the 737, fine. The 787 is an engineering spectacle. Boeing may be innovating in the wrong direction, I don't know.

The C series did drop Bombardier out of the market until a massive government bailout. Bombardier misjudged the market or at the very least, the timing of the market and tax payers bailed them out.
 
jynxyjoe said:
So jokes aside, the 787 is hands down the biggest leap in structures for part 25 period. Boeing finally has the cumulative know-how of Bill Lear circa 1980.

I get you alls valid critique of the 737, fine. The 787 is an engineering spectacle. Boeing may be innovating in the wrong direction, I don't know.

The C series did drop Bombardier out of the market until a massive government bailout. Bombardier misjudged the market or at the very least, the timing of the market and tax payers bailed them out.
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The Canadians bailed out a manufacturing company.

Americans bailed out the financial companies. Plural. An entire industry, actually.

Like Canada, we're better for it.
 
jynxyjoe said:
So jokes aside, the 787 is hands down the biggest leap in structures for part 25 period. Boeing finally has the cumulative know-how of Bill Lear circa 1980.

I get you alls valid critique of the 737, fine. The 787 is an engineering spectacle. Boeing may be innovating in the wrong direction, I don't know.

The C series did drop Bombardier out of the market until a massive government bailout. Bombardier misjudged the market or at the very least, the timing of the market and tax payers bailed them out.
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Engineering marvel? Lol it has a freaking yoke.
 
jynxyjoe said:
So jokes aside, the 787 is hands down the biggest leap in structures for part 25 period. Boeing finally has the cumulative know-how of Bill Lear circa 1980.

I get you alls valid critique of the 737, fine. The 787 is an engineering spectacle. Boeing may be innovating in the wrong direction, I don't know.

The C series did drop Bombardier out of the market until a massive government bailout. Bombardier misjudged the market or at the very least, the timing of the market and tax payers bailed them out.
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Boeing needs to be innovating in both directions. The leap isn't that far to compete since they've already laid the groundwork with the 787.
 
jtrain609 said:
The Canadians bailed out a manufacturing company.

Americans bailed out the financial companies. Plural. An entire industry, actually.

Like Canada, we're better for it.
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All I'm saying is Boeing case has merit, even if the penalties are severe (and will be plead down right??). Sometimes, when it comes to the market, you ride the wave and other times you sink.

If Canada wants to bail them out fine, but that boring 737 keeps making Boeing money because that's what customers (airlines) wanted.

Boeing innovated on the 787 but Boeing is kinda being crapped on a little because the old product that they still makes them money is still being offered, purchased, and built. Maybe the ford 150 is boring and lacks innovation, but it's want customers want. I'm not big on leather jackets but it's still out there in mass.
 
mshunter said:
Boeing needs to be innovating in both directions. The leap isn't that far to compete since they've already laid the groundwork with the 787.
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I think Boeing listens to the airline purchasing first, who says, gimme that thing again but this time jack it up off the ground so we can really trans con this thing. Do you have some extra tabs you can throw on like Beech did with the ninteenhondo?

learhawkerbe400 said:
Engineering marvel? Lol it has a freaking yoke.
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#yokelivesmatter (you're kidding right?)
 
jynxyjoe said:
All I'm saying is Boeing case has merit, even if the penalties are severe (and will be plead down right??). Sometimes, when it comes to the market, you ride the wave and other times you sink.

If Canada wants to bail them out fine, but that boring 737 keeps making Boeing money because that's what customers (airlines) wanted.

Boeing innovated on the 787 but Boeing is kinda being crapped on a little because the old product that they still makes them money is still being offered, purchased, and built. Maybe the ford 150 is boring and lacks innovation, but it's want customers want. I'm not big on leather jackets but it's still out there in mass.
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Delta is trying to replace their mad dog fleet with c series jets. It's clear there's at least one legacy carrier in the states that wants the aircraft.
 
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