C Series hits a.....snag

SeanD said:
Boeing sounds like the local crybaby complaining because he wasn't invited to a birthday party. The only Boeing Delta should give two craps about if the 777 LR. Does Airbus even have a jet capable of that kind of distance yet? If not now is the time to make one. Either way, Boeing is being stupid about this. It's their fault they chose to rehash a 50-year-old narrow-body airplane design instead of innovating. No one should be penalized because of their laziness. Im sure Delta will work out a deal with Bombardier.
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The A350-900 should cover many of the 777-200LR routes. Not all, but many.

Innovation is a risk/reward proposition and Bombardier is learning this the hard way right now. Designed a nice, innovative jet that unfortunately is not selling for a multitude of reasons. Updating the 737 line has been far more beneficial to Boeing customers, employees, and shareholders vs. a new design program. That paradigm will eventually shift as manufacturing and material technologies develop further, but we are not there yet.

In my opinion, the only thing Boeing needs to fix on the current 737 is the landing gear. Heighten the gear and it can be much more competitive vs. the A321, if not offer further potential.

BEEF SUPREME said:
So potentially Delta could just set up a leasing company in Canada and skirt around the tariff?

Also I could see this being quite bad for pilot hiring at Delta. No new airplanes no need to be hiring 1000 pilots next year...
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Unfortunately, I don't think that will work - the lawmakers should be smart enough to sniff this leasing scheme out. The tariff will be imposed on whoever imports these 75 aircraft. If it's a foreign entity leasing them through to Delta, the foreign entity will foot the bill - and probably try to pass that through to Delta. Not that simple.
 
B767 said:
Boeing has lost it. Innovation is dead. I really like hearing on tower "airliner 123, you're 8 miles in trail of [whatever], showing a 40 knot overtake, start slowing to final approach speed, number two, cleared to land."

"Umm. We're already at our final approach speed..."

No insider knowledge but I hear some of the 900 approach speeds can be around 170 due to the length.
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with wind additive sure. a vref over 149 is overweight.....still insanely fast. so glad i'm off that airplane now.
 
Roger Roger said:
...eh, ya hoser.
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Flights from my hometown inevitably always started and ended on a CRJ. It was like no matter what else happened your trip always started and ended with suck. I didn't fit on that thing when I was 14, I damn sure don't now.


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If Delta does cancel the order, which I hear that its not, I sure hope Boeing doesn't think Delta is going to come knocking for an order. Boeing was part of that RFP and all they could offer was 20 used E-190s from Air Canada or the 737-700 MAX. This may also put in jeapordy any future aircraft orders when Delta decides to order more aircraft. I foresee more business with Airbus.
 
H46Bubba said:
If Delta does cancel the order, which I hear that its not, I sure hope Boeing doesn't think Delta is going to come knocking for an order. Boeing was part of that RFP and all they could offer was 20 used E-190s from Air Canada or the 737-700 MAX. This may also put in jeapordy any future aircraft orders when Delta decides to order more aircraft. I foresee more business with Airbus.
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Do you really think Boeing cares?

This is all about knocking out a competitor (yes, I realize Boeing is being VERY hypocritical here, but it is what it is). If another US Carrier bought the airplane Boeing would have done the same thing. Delta was foolish signing on with Bombardier and they are now dealing with the fall out.
 
Seggy said:
Do you really think Boeing cares?

This is all about knocking out a competitor (yes, I realize Boeing is being VERY hypocritical here, but it is what it is). If another US Carrier bought the airplane Boeing would have done the same thing. Delta was foolish signing on with Bombardier and they are now dealing with the fall out.
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:rolleyes:
 
Seggy said:
Delta was foolish signing on with Bombardier and they are now dealing with the fall out.
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Hogwash. Boeing is about to lose a lot more than just the F18 deal. At he outside, all the British defense contracts and Delta’s next WB order. Regardless, there will be no tariff. Once the courts finish with this, it’ll be like it never happened.
 
Cptnchia said:
Hogwash. Boeing is about to lose a lot more than just the F18 deal. At he outside, all the British defense contracts and Delta’s next WB order. Regardless, there will be no tariff. Once the courts finish with this, it’ll be like it never happened.
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They don't care, to be honest. They have no problem selling planes to the ME3 and NAI... unfortunately.
 
KSCessnaDriver said:
They don't care, to be honest. They have no problem selling planes to the ME3 and NAI... unfortunately.
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True. They sell them to foreign airlines using the same practices as they are blaming Bombardier of.

The only problem for Boeing is that there are rumors of the ME3 and NAI losing more money than they can hide. Best case for us, Boeing gets stuck with a bunch of WBs that they have to choke on, and US airlines can cherrypick them at below cost.
 
Cptnchia said:
True. They sell them to foreign airlines using the same practices as they are blaming Bombardier of.

The only problem for Boeing is that there are rumors of the ME3 and NAI losing more money than they can hide. Best case, Boeing gets stuck with a bunch of WBs that they have to choke on, and US airlines can cherrypick them at below cost.
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Not only do they sell them cheap, they allow them access to the ExIm bank to finance the planes, at a stupidly low rate.
 
KSCessnaDriver said:
Not only do they sell them cheap, they allow them access to the ExIm bank to finance the planes, at a stupidly low rate.
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Which is exactly what they accuse Bombardier of. This is nothing more than a predatory attempt to hobble a competitor because they are afraid of what the C-300 and -500 will do to 737MAX sales.
 
Cptnchia said:
Hogwash. Boeing is about to lose a lot more than just the F18 deal. At he outside, all the British defense contracts and Delta’s next WB order. Regardless, there will be no tariff. Once the courts finish with this, it’ll be like it never happened.
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Have you ever flown a Bombardier product?


How many C Series are out there? How long have they been developing the plane? How many they have on order?

As stated, foolish....

Also, Boeing isn't worried about losing defense contracts. They know there aren't exactly a plethora of defense contractors out there.
 
Cptnchia said:
Hogwash. Boeing is about to lose a lot more than just the F18 deal. At he outside, all the British defense contracts and Delta’s next WB order. Regardless, there will be no tariff. Once the courts finish with this, it’ll be like it never happened.
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I honestly think that Boeing was having these issues prior, with the lack of innovation past the 787 (all their airframes are 20+ years old, except for that one). When you refuse to change with the market, the market leaves you behind.
 
I don't think Boeing is focusing their future on civil aviation right now. They've bought a few drone technology companies.
 
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