Bill to Privatize US ATC...

gotWXdagain said:
Can they take back flight service? I really hate talking to someone's grandma who has all the urgency of someone waiting for the soufflé to rise while I'm trying to get my clearance with a critical patient in back and the only way to do it is over the phone.
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When I was still working at ZMP, lakes air somehow find out the # to the supes desk in the operations area and started calling that to get clearances... Cause FSS blows
 
Ozelot said:
When I was still working at ZMP, lakes air somehow find out the # to the supes desk in the operations area and started calling that to get clearances... Cause FSS blows
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For Salt Lake, I called the phone number listed in the A/FD, which turned out to be some generic FAA number but they patched me through to Salt Lake, who gave me the correct number. Come to think of it I also have Minneapolis but only for the area covering the U.P.
 
I think it will be a hard sell for a lot of people including the NATCA membership, regardless of whether or not the union president supports it. He is likely looking for a job on the new federally chartered non-profit corporation board. So I don't look at his opinion as 100% the best in regards to the course that we go. I do agree with the reasons he states for going in this direction. ATC should not be at the mercy of congress shutting down the government over Obamacare. If this does all they say it does, protects pensions, benefits, pay, and at the same time guarantees funding, it might be a good thing. This isn't a sell off to lockheed or something like that, it is basically a way to get away from being tied to the federal budget. No more FAA Reauthorization extension take 100, and sequester cutback take 3, budget deadline looming take 10, deficit ceiling lifting take 15. It will also free the operation out of federal laws, i.e. no more lowest bid contracts. We may be able to get software and hardware that is effective and modern instead of the lowest bid piece of crap. But we will see how both sides slaughter the bill over the next few months in both chambers.
 
I should have a very strong opinion on this ...................................... but i find it hard to give a crap any more, like the man said once Not my circus not my monkeys . I will say one thing the Devil will be in the details , choose wisely !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Derg said:
Maybe even give us all passbooks so we get a old S&H-style stamp that we could collect for prizes and gifts.
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MikeD said:
Green stamps!!
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I like the idea of a punch card, shoot twelve approaches and get a free foot long sub or a family size pizza.

Could you get two stamps for a missed approach with vectors back to IAF, or would it count as one?
 
awbmof said:
I like the idea of a punch card, shoot twelve approaches and get a free foot long sub or a family size pizza.

Could you get two stamps for a missed approach with vectors back to IAF, or would it count as one?
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Only if it's a different approach- I.E. you go missed on a VOR or RNAV and come back on an ILS.
 
RobertB said:
http://news.delta.com/sites/default/files/Delta CEO ATO Privatization Letter.pdf
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I'm an ex delta employee now controller and my wife still works there. I've always been a fan of the Anderson mgt group and for them to be the only airline actually against this when they don't really have an overwhelming reason to be makes me really think. The research they did certainly makes some interesting points (although the part where they try to insinuate that eram allows a controller to work more airplanes makes me scratch my head).

In my opinion the model as stated seems fine, however I don't trust Congress in the long run to be able to keep the model as written.
 
Roger Roger said:
Do you remember flight service stations?
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Yes, and technology would have made them obsolete either way. I don’t pretend to have the answers, but as some else mentioned, NAV Canada seems to work.
Roger Roger said:
The problems of the ATC system are caused imho by trying to run it too much like a business. Privatization would only make things worse.
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I don’t think those are the problems, but I’d be interested in presenting some facts. From what I have seen, the main issues are understaffing, bloat, and old technology. Some of that could be fixed with a private system, some of it wouldn’t, imo.

Nextgen was a complete disaster.

Autothrust Blue said:
Safe, orderly, expeditious, and in that order.

Anything else is unsatisfactory.
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That’s definitely not how it’s being run today.
 
CoffeeIcePapers said:
but as some else mentioned, NAV Canada seems to work.
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Canada has 1500 controllers and something like 48 total facilities, primarily small towers. The US has around 10k controllers (should be around 15k) and around 350 facilities. The state of California works more air traffic than all of Canada. NavCanada is also in its own staffing crisis because during covid they very short sightedly fired all their trainees.
 
ZapBrannigan said:
NavCanada has entered the chat.
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Somebody else told me NavCanada's user fees are crazy. I dont know how true that is as I have never directly had to deal with them as an authority. Perhaps someone else here has experience with them and can verify.
 
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