Bill to Privatize US ATC...
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jcpilot
Fly for show, vector for dough
"Do you want to supersize your flight plan with a direct? It's a $3000 value, but today, it's only $850!"
Roger Roger
Bottom of the list
Dealing with counter employees can be hit or miss but overall the product that USPS provides for the price point is great.
NovemberEcho
Dergs favorite member
All I know is I give them like $.50 and a few days later a letter arrives at its destination thousands of miles away. I'm not complaining.
As for the privatization legislation, I'm still up in the air about it. I still think there are less drastic measures that can be taken to guarantee funding for the FAA while remaining part of the Fed.
As for the privatization legislation, I'm still up in the air about it. I still think there are less drastic measures that can be taken to guarantee funding for the FAA while remaining part of the Fed.
NovemberEcho
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Stinger
Well-Known Member
I didn't realize people have a Union vs everybody else stance. I thought we were all on the same team and want more or less the same things. Silly me.
Well when this would potentially negatively affect the bargaining unit rights of controllers, it absolutely is an us versus them mindset. There is nothing gained by controllers becoming contractors of the federal government. At least Delta Air Lines has the balls to stand up against this privatization unlike NATCA, American Airlines, etc.
awbmof
Well-Known Member
Unfortunately, congress doesn't always understand what is a natural monopoly and what isn't, and most infrastructure falls under that category. Any natural monopoly transferred to private hands risks gouging its customers absent strict oversight, where the US government has a very mixed record (think the securities industry and Enron's manipulation of the energy market).
I don't see a problem with the ATC system as it is structured, the fail I see is congress continually holding hostage spending on necessary infrastructure be it ATC, Roads, Education, etc. Privatization in this context appears to be an administrative fix so congress can say mission accomplished but in reality avoid doing what we pay them for or asking the voters directly for more money if needed, so we can have delay free airports and functioning roads.
The figures laid out in Delta's letter essentially amounted to a back door tax increase in Canada and the UK. Essentially, the public will pay for modernization in one form or another.
I don't see a problem with the ATC system as it is structured, the fail I see is congress continually holding hostage spending on necessary infrastructure be it ATC, Roads, Education, etc. Privatization in this context appears to be an administrative fix so congress can say mission accomplished but in reality avoid doing what we pay them for or asking the voters directly for more money if needed, so we can have delay free airports and functioning roads.
The figures laid out in Delta's letter essentially amounted to a back door tax increase in Canada and the UK. Essentially, the public will pay for modernization in one form or another.
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greg1016
Trustworthy Source
NATCA neither briefed, nor asked the membership about it's position. That is what gets me. Rinaldi has consistently said he favors a solution that would keep the ATO funded during a shutdown or a sequester. There is a simple way to do that without privatization: fully fund the ATO from the Airport and Airways Trust Fund. Reallocate money from the 3 nonessential programs that it already fully funds to pay for it, and make up those losses through the general fund.
Want 27L instead of 28? That's $500!"Do you want to supersize your flight plan with a direct? It's a $3000 value, but today, it's only $850!"
awbmof
Well-Known Member
They'll knock off $100 if your ADS-B transponder has an automatic toll tag
Every time SLC changes my runway, which was four times between leaving the gate, taxiing to the 34R deice pad, heading toward 16L, then we're going to put you on 17 but now it's 16R (all wiht the requisite MCDU changes and "Give me the runway change items, AGAIN") I'd like to cut down my airlines user fee after each.
Maybe even give us all passbooks so we get a old S&H-style stamp that we could collect for prizes and gifts.
gotWXdagain
Polished Member
Can they take back flight service? I really hate talking to someone's grandma who has all the urgency of someone waiting for the soufflé to rise while I'm trying to get my clearance with a critical patient in back and the only way to do it is over the phone.
Roger Roger
Bottom of the list
Solution: come fly medevac in Alaska, where FSS doesn't totally blow.
RDoug
Well-Known Member
The FAA kept control of the Alaska Flight Service Stations. Alaskan Congressman Don Young made sure of it . . . even as he was working to sell out the service for every other state.
Roger Roger
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I didn't say I liked how it was done, just that the product from the FAA is far superior to lockmart. Lockmart's consolidation killed the usefulness of the FSS system.
RDoug
Well-Known Member
Agree with that 100%.
greg1016
Trustworthy Source
Call the departure control facility directly on a land line and get your clearance that way.
