Bill Seeks to Allow Airlines Access to Cockpit Conversations

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Doug Taylor said:
Aye yi yi.

It's not political, it's reactionary which is an endemic problem regardless of political affiliation.
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Eh, I don't know. I'm more cynical. It feels more like anti-labor politics hidden in a reactionary package to me. But other than that, I'd completely agree..

What we really need is to create a new government agency to replace the "privatized" pilots, until we can get some robots up there.
 
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wrxpilot said:
:rotfl:
Ah, the naiveté of youth!
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You actually have anything of substance to add? Last I checked when republicans act like democrats, it is bad for the party. Both parties have been moving left, Democrats just have the head start.

As was said though, this legislation is just a knee jerk anyway.
 
Re: Bill Seeks to Allow Airlines Access to Cockpit Conversat

While I certainly wouldn't relish the idea of my employer having the ability to monitor my on-the-job conduct, I do recognize that as long as I collect a paycheck from them, they have that right. It's their airplane.

I think this is a case of "be careful what you wish for." If your employees know that their actions are subject to constant scrutiny, it is going to tend to cause operational problems, because a lot of the shortcuts that experienced employees know how to do to increase efficiency will be a thing of the past. Employees will be so consumed with ensuring that every procedure is followed to the letter that there will be no way any flight can operate on time, which means either the airline will have to cut back flights (i.e. decrease revenue) or increase staff (increase costs).

Whatever the outcome, this should be an issue between management and labor. Government should not have anything to do with it.
 
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Oh, and by the way, you already can monitor your elected officials. It's called CSPAN
 
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skydog2 said:
While I certainly wouldn't relish the idea of my employer having the ability to monitor my on-the-job conduct, I do recognize that as long as I collect a paycheck from them, they have that right. It's their airplane.
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Most of us have collective bargaining agreements that prohibit it.
 
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ATN_Pilot said:
Most of us have collective bargaining agreements that prohibit it.
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Whatever agreements exist between private entities still have to comply with the law.

Don't get me wrong. I'm not advocating this. While I believe that it is an employer's privilege to monitor the on-the-job conduct of his employees, I do not think it is a good practice (for reasons mentioned earlier).

What scares me, and what should scare you, is if a law is passed that allows air carriers to do this, how long do you think it will be before a law requires it? And then how long do you think it will be before similar laws get passed for other industries and professions?

It's called incrementalism, and it slowly erodes away our freedoms.
 
Re: Bill Seeks to Allow Airlines Access to Cockpit Conversat

After the crash there was a pretty well substantiated rumor that Colgan was randomly pulling CVRs. As a result one of my F.Os included a CVR Erase as the final part of the parking checklist. I really hope those guys get a decent contract (Colgan).
 
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Didn't AA used to have cameras in the cockpit? I vaguely remember them showing the take off portion of the flight on the screens in the cabin. I think it was a DC-10......of course that was like back in 1983!:D
 
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It's a huge pandora's box.

How about company-installed cameras in hotel rooms to confirm that we're actually sleeping?

Net-Nanny software on all crew-owned computers to ensure that we were not up lookin' at porn if we call in fatigued?

The I'm sure United Healthcare is going to want to monitor food intake to make sure we're eating a nutritious meal on layovers to reduce healthcare costs.

Proximity sensors timing if we're ever not in our duty station or take an inordinate amount of time to properly stretch on long haul flights.

Oh, the possibilties! :)

I'm absolutely against it.

Primarily because CVR data was supposed to only be used in crash investigations. No publicly released transcripts even. Now, if we have an accident, transcripts are published as some sort of macabre voyeuristic reality TV show to drive news ratings.

At least it's a lot better than back in the 1980's when they've just outright play the CVR tapes of pilots last moments of life.

When we've got NTSB employees that aren't even familiar with an investigation leaking specious data to the media about accidents, just wait until we give 'em video.

"TMZ's got the secret footage of pilot's reading books in flight! Congressmen McGillicutty is AGHAST and demands a full investigation!" -- meanwhile it's the freaking FOM.

No. They can kiss my ass if they want to monitor me like a monkey at the zoo.
 
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A-300F4-622R said:
The government mandated video camera will see you maliciously pulling the CVR c/b. Busted.
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"Chewing gum, what chewing gum? Someone put a wad of chewing gum over the lens? Sorry Chief, don't know nuttin bout no chewing gum."
 
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H46Bubba said:
Didn't AA used to have cameras in the cockpit? I vaguely remember them showing the take off portion of the flight on the screens in the cabin. I think it was a DC-10......of course that was like back in 1983!:D
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I seem to remember reading that that practice was discontinued after AA191 as it was thought that the passengers were made aware of their impending doom by the video feed.
 
Re: Bill Seeks to Allow Airlines Access to Cockpit Conversat

Bills are introduced all the time; 95% of them are killed during the legislative process.

I suspect this one will be among the 95% found dead on arrival.
 
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bok269 said:
I seem to remember reading that that practice was discontinued after AA191 as it was thought that the passengers were made aware of their impending doom by the video feed.
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It was three or four years after AA 191.
 
Re: Bill Seeks to Allow Airlines Access to Cockpit Conversat

I think the only people who are agreeing with this and camera'sare not employed by an airline.
 
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