Bill Seeks to Allow Airlines Access to Cockpit Conversations

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Bill Seeks to Allow Airlines Access to Cockpit Conversations:

By ANDY PASZTOR

Sen. Jim DeMint, a Republican from South Carolina, plans to introduce a bill that would break a taboo in the airline industry: allowing airlines to use information from cockpit voice recorders in cases against pilots they want to discipline or fire.

Current labor contracts effectively bar major U.S. carriers from relying on information gathered from cockpit-recorders, or, in some cases, flight-data recorders to punish pilots or monitor their performance during trips. But the proposed legislation seeks to overturn those longstanding restrictions in both areas, which is already riling pilot union leaders.

The move also shines a spotlight on privacy and other complex legal questions surrounding the use of such information by airlines to make personnel decisions.

Today, cockpit voice recorder data doesn't become public or lead to actions against pilots unless there is an accident or serious incident investigated by the Federal Aviation Administration or the National Transportation Safety Board. Allowing airlines to use the information for their own personnel decisions would significantly open up an area that currently is considered to be an almost private sanctum for accident investigators.

Called the "Pilot Professionalism Assurance Act," the bill drafted by the Sen. DeMint envisions downloading voice or flight-data recorders "to discipline or discharge a pilot . . . for actions that endanger the safety or well being of passengers." The bill also proposes using previously sacrosanct recordings of cockpit conversations "to evaluate or monitor the judgment or performance of an individual pilot."

Sen. DeMint has not yet formally introduced his legislation and it is unclear what type of support it might find in Congress. The legislation is bound to face stiff resistance from both pilot unions -- and potentially the FAA and the NTSB. One of their principal objections is that the bill could put a chill on the current system of voluntary reporting of safety lapses by pilots. Currently, pilots are encouraged to file anonymous reports on safety problems that arise in the course of duty. Allowing airlines to review cockpit recordings could make pilots more reticent to report shortcomings because they might worry that they would be exposed to disciplinary action from their employer.

However, the bill comes in the wake of several commercial-aircraft accidents and incidents, including the bizarre October flight of a Northwest Airlines jet that lost contact with air-traffic controllers for more than an hour and overflew its destination. The pilots, whose licenses were revoked after the slip-up, told investigators they were engrossed in conversation about revised crew-scheduling procedures and became distracted by turning on and using their personal laptops on the flight deck.

That has created new impetus for stricter pilot oversight measures. There have been two attempts on Capitol Hill in recent weeks to draft legislation supporting installation of video recorders in cockpits. Pilot union officials successfully lobbied and managed to head off those efforts. The Air Line Pilots Association or ALPA, which is the largest pilot union in North America, is gearing up to quietly try to kill the DeMint bill before it is introduced, according to people familiar with the matter.

The escalating controversy focuses on how pilot professionalism conflicts with recent examples of distraction and lax safety standards in the cockpit. Randy Babbitt, the head of the FAA, has spoken out strongly on the need to enhance pilot performance and raise the safety bar by having larger airlines and veteran pilots mentor less experienced pilots at the smaller commuter partners.

But so far, the FAA chief has opposed drastic moves such as stripping cockpit recorders of the confidentiality they have enjoyed for decades. Currently, flight-data recorders are routinely screened for unusual occurrences, but the analysis is done privately inside each airline and the results generally don't become public.

John Prater, president of ALPA, has previously said media pressure shouldn't "lead our industry in a direction that is detrimental to the goal of accident and incident prevention."

Earlier this week. Mr. Prater put out a statement urging Congress to avoid "drafting legislation that simply reacts to events already under investigation."
 
Re: Bill Seeks to Allow Airlines Access to Cockpit Conversat

Does this mean we can also wiretap Congress too for performance and professionalism issues?
 
Re: Bill Seeks to Allow Airlines Access to Cockpit Conversat

Does this mean we can also wiretap Congress too for performance and professionalism issues?

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Re: Bill Seeks to Allow Airlines Access to Cockpit Conversat

The Air Line Pilots Association or ALPA, which is the largest pilot union in North America, is gearing up to quietly try to kill the DeMint bill before it is introduced, according to people familiar with the matter.

Thanks, ALPA. Just think, without ALPA, we might be spied on day in and out thru cameras and mics. You can't ever really say ALPA doesn't do anything for you.
 
Re: Bill Seeks to Allow Airlines Access to Cockpit Conversat

Thanks, ALPA. Just think, without ALPA, we might be spied on day in and out thru cameras and mics. You can't ever really say ALPA doesn't do anything for you.
But...but...people on Youtube say its a good idea to have webcams in the cockpits because pilots don't deserve any privacy...
 
Re: Bill Seeks to Allow Airlines Access to Cockpit Conversat

Next move is to put cameras in Lav's and Flight crew layover hotel rooms. Before or after that Pilots will now be required to have GPS trackers implanted. For safety reasons of course.
 
Re: Bill Seeks to Allow Airlines Access to Cockpit Conversat

Hopefully (and probably) it won't go anywhere. If it does it should have a rider that says all members of congress are now required to wear a camera belt to monitor their sexual activity. They shall not deviate from sex with their wives or the missionary position.
 
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But I thought "conservatives" like DeMint were for getting government out of people's lives.

Jim DeMint, this song is for you.

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You're such a bleeping hypocrite.
 
Re: Bill Seeks to Allow Airlines Access to Cockpit Conversat

But I thought "conservatives" like DeMint were for getting government out of people's lives.

Jim DeMint, this song is for you.

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You're such a bleeping hypocrite.

And that is the problem with the republican party. Kinda like the 1 voting Republican for the House Healthcare Bill.

I personally wouldn't mind seeing a camera put into the cockpit, but it would be used under the same rules as the recorders we already have.
 
Re: Bill Seeks to Allow Airlines Access to Cockpit Conversat

But I thought "conservatives" like DeMint were for getting government out of people's lives.
If this bill goes against conservatism, I guess you're implying liberals like Obama are for bills like this?

And you voted for him?
 
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Aye yi yi.

It's not political, it's reactionary which is an endemic problem regardless of political affiliation.

Besides, medical malpractice killed more people in the last month than an entire year of air travel accidents and I don't see a big push for monitoring of surgeons.

But if they had explosions, big splashes and a bunch of know-it-alls sitting behind the locked cockpit door twittering on the free wireless, I guess perhaps we'd hear more about it.
 
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You can't force professionalism...

Its either there, or its not
 
Re: Bill Seeks to Allow Airlines Access to Cockpit Conversat

From the stories I've heard from some old skool international pilots, this might not be that bad if the pilots could access the footage. FA's and even passengers in the cockpit would've made for some premium RedTube.com footage...

But those days are dead and gone...Sic Semper Tyrannis you philandering congressional hypocrites!
 
Re: Bill Seeks to Allow Airlines Access to Cockpit Conversat

I am for organizations such as NTSB for cameras in the flight deck, but for airlines to specifically be able to access the footage for punishment is terrible.

If it was for training reasons, then yes, a select number of flight footage and data can be accessed.
 
Re: Bill Seeks to Allow Airlines Access to Cockpit Conversat

You can't force professionalism...

Its either there, or its not


Maybe we can get the government to mandate that we all act and look professional? It would become a crime to not wear your hat in public or a crime to wear a backpack, an ipod or have spikey hair.
 
Re: Bill Seeks to Allow Airlines Access to Cockpit Conversat

To say nothing of the inevitable "you took your necktie off after the cockpit door was closed! You're out of uniform!" disciplinary actions.
 
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