Azerbaijan Airlines Crash

Certainly looks like a frag pattern to me.
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NovemberEcho said:
Having never been to a crash scene, is this something that could be caused by debris from the crash (rocks etc kicked up) or most likely what it appears to be?



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Only if the aircraft crashed next to a weapon that was designed to yeet shrapnel. That happened to detonate right when the aircraft crashed…
 
Inverted said:
I think this thing was probably shot down…
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If so, it's morbidly impressive how many modern commercial airliners have been lost due to the Russia\Ukraine conflict (I count the Donbass region civil war in that as well) vs all the other conflicts in modern history where aircraft being flown by reputable carriers (AZAL has been around a long time and was the first airline in the Aeroflot break up to build up a Western fleet with 757s and 737s and have unrestricted growth in Europe) aren't being blown out of the sky...

One detail I find interesting is that the Russian commercial airport nearest to the location that the emergency started was closed for military activity at the time. I mean, why aren't the airways?
 
ChasenSFO said:
If so, it's morbidly impressive how many modern commercial airliners have been lost due to the Russia\Ukraine conflict (I count the Donbass region civil war in that as well)
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It’s the first long major conflict since maybe the 1980’s where both sides have active air units that is also located where people actually want to fly to
 
NovemberEcho said:
It’s the first long conflict since maybe the 1980’s where both sides have active air units that is also located where people actually want to fly to
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Wow, I had no idea. All the more reason to give that area a wide berth.

EDIT: Now different reputable agencies are getting quotes of 6 or 14 survivors, meaning many of the critical condition pax have passed away in the hospital. :(


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This video makes me wonder; in planes with such a highly automated throttle system like the E17X/19X, is juggling the throttles as an only means of control more futile than in say, an A300 or a DC-10? Once the A/T is disconnected, is there anything in the FBW that could get in the way of something like that? It looks like they're punching then pulling the power to maintain flight, and the very rigid turns play into that too, which makes sense if the hydraulics are shot (literally).
 
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ChasenSFO said:
If so, it's morbidly impressive how many modern commercial airliners have been lost due to the Russia\Ukraine conflict (I count the Donbass region civil war in that as well) vs all the other conflicts in modern history where aircraft being flown by reputable carriers (AZAL has been around a long time and was the first airline in the Aeroflot break up to build up a Western fleet with 757s and 737s and have unrestricted growth in Europe) aren't being blown out of the sky...

One detail I find interesting is that the Russian commercial airport nearest to the location that the emergency started was closed for military activity at the time. I mean, why aren't the airways?
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I can’t wait for the Russia cucks to be like “this is why we can’t send Ukraine any more weapons!!!!”
 
The F24 flight track gets kind of wonky as soon as they cross into Russian airspace, I'm assuming that's the product of some sort of jamming, but that airplane seems perfectly fine up until then. The track picks back up off the coast of Kazakhstan where it's obviously in distress.
 
DE727UPS said:
Years ago, we had a 76 do a precautionary engine shutdown and Russia was the nearest suitable. Captain decided to continue to Japan for 3 hours. He got a lot of criticism for that (myself included). Maybe it was a smart move.
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It's a discussion we have when crossing the North Pacific. We're only a few miles from Russia airspace at that point.
 
FlyingAccountant said:

Video allegedly from the cabin of the flight while still in air. There's very obvious damage to the bulkhead and oxygen overhead panel caused by something.
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Which in it self isn’t a big deal. We have seen countless o2 panels damaged by inflight upsets and people hitting the roof.

But if you slow down frame by frame to when he zoomed in you can see shrapnel holes in the plastic. And that ain’t from someone’s head hitting it.
 
T/O w/FSII said:
Which in it self isn’t a big deal. We have seen countless o2 panels damaged by inflight upsets and people hitting the roof.

But if you slow down frame by frame to when he zoomed in you can see shrapnel holes in the plastic. And that ain’t from someone’s head hitting it.
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Right, it appears whatever came through the fuselage traveled on and popped out the O2 panel.
 
Roger Roger said:
Isn’t one of the axes normal cable+hydraulics?
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Ailerons are cable linkage to a hydraulic PCU. Spoilers are FBW, and back up the ailerons, so it's not a fully manual axis.

Elevators and rudder are fully FBW.

You'd need to lose hydraulic pressure from all three systems to lose elevator authority, or fully lose electrical power. (There's a 15 minute backup battery for the flight controls should all other electrical systems be lost) Even if you lost all hydraulic pressure to the elevators, the trim would still work.

These airplanes are tough and robust, and not prone to getting holes like that under normal operating conditions. The engines aren't at an angle that would make uncontained failure produce holes like that, nor is it easy to imagine they came from an explosion inside the fuselage or baggage compartment, absent something real weird going on.

If what it looks like happened actually happened, then f—.
 
The engine could have fallen off and then exploded and shot fan blades which broke apart into tiny pieces that went into the elevators and tail.....

Or something.
 
🦈💜 said:
Ailerons are cable linkage to a hydraulic PCU. Spoilers are FBW, and back up the ailerons, so it's not a fully manual axis.

Elevators and rudder are fully FBW.

You'd need to lose hydraulic pressure from all three systems to lose elevator authority, or fully lose electrical power. (There's a 15 minute backup battery for the flight controls should all other electrical systems be lost) Even if you lost all hydraulic pressure to the elevators, the trim would still work.

These airplanes are tough and robust, and not prone to getting holes like that under normal operating conditions. The engines aren't at an angle that would make uncontained failure produce holes like that, nor is it easy to imagine they came from an explosion inside the fuselage or baggage compartment, absent something real weird going on.

If what it looks like happened actually happened, then f—.
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Can’t wait for them to be held to exactly zero accountability
 
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