I you take the written before July 31, 2014 you have two years to take the practical. Without having to go through the ATP CTP, read from page 189 on....
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I you take the written before July 31, 2014 you have two years to take the practical. Without having to go through the ATP CTP, read from page 189 on....
Screaming_Emu
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Because riddle is way way way way more expensive than the other schools that you mention. Pick a state school that has an aviation program and at least your tuition is the same as if you got a degree in any other field. Flight training may be more expensive, but so are the facilities.
Not everyone can or needs to go to college, but there really is no bad that can come from it.
I don't agree with the flight instructing part though. If you "can't" instruct, than you're not going to be able to be PIC in a multi crew environment. Being a good instructor is simple, its combining a solid technical knowledge with basic people/communication skills. If you can't do that, you're not going to be very good in the left seat. I know I'm going to be yelled at for saying this, but its something I truly believe.
I agree with your bold statement though, and that's exactly why I'm all for this rule. Its going to weed out some people who are looking for an easy career change. That leaves the people who have passion for the industry and will make the time and effort to be not just an airline pilot, but a good one. I'm not saying that time/experience has everything to do with being any good at this job. But it makes people have to put up with a little more than 90 days at ATP.
Skåning
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You think a CFI cert breeds those traits? We have people in the school house and check airmen with no CFIs, I dont see any problems there. It is just THE major avenue to build time to get elsewhere, not the ONLY one.
Screaming_Emu
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If done correctly yes. Maybe not the cert itself, but actually instructing will. Just doing the cert will only help if you have a good instructor. I hated flying with the instructor that worked with me towards my CFI. He was very demanding and it was one of the hardest things I've done. But when it was all over, I was eternally grateful. Best instructor I ever had.
I agree its not the only route to part 121. Some people have a pretty good handle on those traits and will be just fine without the CFI cert. But the popular argument on here is "I'm not going to be any good at it...I'm doing my student a disservice" which to me is a cop out.
same here
Skåning
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Maybe Great Lakes, Silver, or GoJet?
WhatRJ
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spitfire5181
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Most airlines now are hiring guys without ATP. As long as you meet ATP mins you'll get your ATP cert. at the end of training. Don't see this changing anytime soon.
WhatRJ
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August 2nd
USMCmech
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Generally speaking, a type rating course at one of the big training centers (flight safety, simuflight, ect), or airline initial training. Then you will get your ATP along with your type rating.
At least that's how it's supposed to work.
Rotor2Wing
Unapologetically American
So it looks like you will need 50hrs multi to get an ATP as of August. But did anyone else notice it just says 50hrs multi flight experience. I take that as ANY multi time counts for the ATP requirement Dual, SIC, safety pilot, etc as long as its legit multi time. Correct?
CFI A&P
Exploring the world one toilet at a time.
So what exactly does a R-ATP get you? Is that an ICAO recognized certificate, or is it 'Merica only like LSA which states "not valid for operations outside of the United States"? If it is not an ICAO certificate how would it work for crews flying internationally?
Plus, Riddle has a lot more to lose with the new minimums than UND, Purdue etc...
Most of the other collegiate flight programs in the US take place at pre-existing institutions that decided to add a flight program at some point, which means a drop in flight students just threatens the aviation department, and not the entire school. Were those schools to lose a significant percentage of their flight students to the new rules, the underlying institution would take a hit, but wouldn't be in serious danger of closing down due to having other degree programs that are competitive with other schools.
Embry Riddle is a flight school that added a (comically expensive) university, so if their flight program suffers from the new rule, all they have to fall back on are degrees that can be obtained at multiple state universities for less than half of what ERAU charges, and I'm guessing people won't want to take on $120k in debt for a degree in business just because it's from Riddle.
KSCessnaDriver
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So how does this affect someone who already holds an ATP but wouldn't be eligible to hold one under the new rules?
USMCmech
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? If you now hold an ATP, then you already exceed all of the requirements. None of the new requirements exceed the old standard ATP requirements. Also once you hold a certificate it never expires (CFI being the exception).
Apophis
Resident Iconoclast
If you now hold an ATP, then you already exceed all of the requirements. None of the new requirements exceed the old standard ATP requirements. Also once you hold a certificate it never expires (CFI being the exception).
Not true. I think he has less than 50 multiengine hours, but he does have ATP with multi-engine land privileges. Thus he has an ATP but doesn't have the 50 hours required for an unrestricted ATP under the new legislation.