Asking for the jumpseat and other lost traditions

[Nark]

speaking of other lost traditions...

As flight crew, how about we wait for our FA's?
When we get to base, I always wait until the FA's unload the pax. Ive been told it's very rare.

Case in point last night: we were waiting for a plane to unload so we can take it on a red eye.
The d-bag captain had to run to catch a commute home, and left an ensuing medical emergency.
pro-stands is getting a call/email...

 

[Flyjustin]

speaking of other lost traditions...

As flight crew, how about we wait for our FA's?
When we get to base, I always wait until the FA's unload the pax. Ive been told it's very rare.

Case in point last night: we were waiting for a plane to unload so we can take it on a red eye.
The d-bag captain had to run to catch a commute home, and left an ensuing medical emergency.
pro-stands is getting a call/email...

Prostandards is for almost CPO type stuff, like showing up boozed up.

Commuting is number one priority on the last day. I don't wait for FA's... I ask them to have my bag ready for me to be the first one off.

 

[Kingairer]

FAs are one of the most annoying parts of this job. We have split hotels up a lot of times now and the van rides have gotten so much better.

 

[Nark]

Prostandards is for almost CPO type stuff, like showing up boozed up.

Commuting is number one priority on the last day. I don't wait for FA's... I ask them to have my bag ready for me to be the first one off.

Or like ignoring duties as defined in the FOM?

Great CRM by the way...

 

[Cptnchia]

Or like ignoring duties as defined in the FOM?

Great CRM by the way...

As long as the brake is set and the door is open for deplaning, what duty is required of a flight crew? The plane at that point belongs to ACS.

 

[Nark]

From our FOM:

The Captain will conduct all post-flight
briefings, as required, and remains in command of both Pilots and Flight Attendants until the end of the duty period...

There are a few things in play here:
Give YOUR crew the courtesy of staying a crew until the end of the flight.
What happens when an FA notices something broken? Are they going to open the can, write it up and call maintenance?


Or how about in this very specific case, where a passenger was in his death throws. This magnificent example of leadership walked past the evolving situation, bags in tow, in order to make his commute.

Is this not a lost tradition?

I get it, getting off the airplane is more important than making sure your crew is taken care of.
Super.

 

[ctab5060X]

From our FOM:


There are a few things in play here:
Give YOUR crew the courtesy of staying a crew until the end of the flight.
What happens when an FA notices something broken? Are they going to open the can, write it up and call maintenance?


Or how about in this very specific case, where a passenger was in his death throws. This magnificent example of leadership walked past the evolving situation, bags in tow, in order to make his commute.

Is this not a lost tradition?

I get it, getting off the airplane is more important than making sure your crew is taken care of.
Super.

When is the end of the duty period?

Last person off the airplane or a set time post block in as probably defined in either your FOM or Pilot Contract?

 

[Nark]

@ctab5060X ,
30 minutes after we block in.

 

[MikeD]

if they have their ID, they are the right person. As a career commuter, I understand how uncomfortable it is to dig through documents while standing in the way up front.

Try doing the same thing while trying to maintain some semblance of "this guy isn't an armed pax or LE". Hence why I try and catch the Capt at the gate if at all possible.

 

[JordanD]

Did everyone miss the medical emergency part? I mean granted if the paramedics and all of that are on board it's kind of out of the captain's hands, but before that? Why would you not stick around and make sure that everything is being handled? Not to mention... isn't paperwork on the PIC's part usually required for that kind of thing? I think it'd be a little weird ending it with "I dunno how it ended up, I left in the middle of the whole thing."

On an overnight, if you're all going to the same van, I don't really see the point in leaving anyone behind if all you're going to do is sit in the van awkwardly alone waiting for them.

 

[Screaming_Emu]

On an overnight, if you're all going to the same van, I don't really see the point in leaving anyone behind if all you're going to do is sit in the van awkwardly alone waiting for them.

I desdhesded on a flight where the FO was someone you, @mikecweb, and I know from our previous website, he did just that. Captain said he did it every day. We found him in the van, sitting shotgun, just staring straight ahead.

I asked the CA "you guys not getting along?"

"No, he just does that."

 

[Seggy]

speaking of other lost traditions...

As flight crew, how about we wait for our FA's?
When we get to base, I always wait until the FA's unload the pax. Ive been told it's very rare.

Case in point last night: we were waiting for a plane to unload so we can take it on a red eye.
The d-bag captain had to run to catch a commute home, and left an ensuing medical emergency.
pro-stands is getting a call/email...

Relax right seat Captain as the Captain can delegate authority.

Also, I've helped out many a commuter before by post flighting the aircraft, from both seats and will continue to do so.

Are you not a team player?

 

[Seggy]

Did everyone miss the medical emergency part?

Nope.

I mean granted if the paramedics and all of that are on board it's kind of out of the captain's hands, but before that? Why would you not stick around and make sure that everything is being handled? Not to mention... isn't paperwork on the PIC's part usually required for that kind of thing? I think it'd be a little weird ending it with "I dunno how it ended up, I left in the middle of the whole thing."

Deplaning in YUL one time (on a stand up) a passenger passed out in the jetway right in front of the airplane. The gate agent handling the gate checked bags immediately called paramedics and they were there within a minute or two. We left as the are paramedics were tending to the passenger as I knew there was nothing more I or anyone else on the crew could contribute to help the situation. No reports or anything needed as she fell in the jetway. So yes, I have left in the middle of a medical issue.

Do I recommend this every time? No, certainly not, however I am not going to wait around if I don't need to.

I also certainly don't see the harm if someone doesn't rush but gets out of the airplane with a purpose. I got their back. I wonder if others on here do.

On an overnight, if you're all going to the same van, I don't really see the point in leaving anyone behind if all you're going to do is sit in the van awkwardly alone waiting for them.

Agree.

 

[Richman]

If I'm flying with someone who I know is trying to make a commute, I'm like "I got this...vamoose".

Anyone who does otherwise is a Niedermyer.

Richman

 

[poser765]

Agreed completely!

 

[juxtapilot]

Good lord.

 

[Nark]

This isn't a "what-if" scenario. This happened very recently.
In the context of this thread, sticking up for your crew was never a tradition, at least with some of you blowhards. Cool, I'm glad you sleep well at night.

Relax right seat Captain as the Captain can delegate authority.

And he didn't in this case. Captain America left.

Also, I've helped out many a commuter before by post flighting the aircraft, from both seats and will continue to do so.

That's not in question here. Were the FA's left alone, or was there at least 1 pilot on board?

Are you not a team player?

I guess not.

I get it. Some people don't check in for a jumpseat.
Some pilots are to cowardly to miss a commute to make sure someone is tended too. It's all technique I suppose.

 

[Screaming_Emu]

If I'm flying with someone who I know is trying to make a commute, I'm like "I got this...vamoose".

Anyone who does otherwise is a Niedermyer.

Richman

"Shutdown checklist complete...Why are you still here?"

 

[Screaming_Emu]

This isn't a "what-if" scenario. This happened very recently.
In the context of this thread, sticking up for your crew was never a tradition, at least with some of you blowhards. Cool, I'm glad you sleep well at night.


And he didn't in this case. Captain America left.


That's not in question here. Were the FA's left alone, or was there at least 1 pilot on board?


I guess not.

I get it. Some people don't check in for a jumpseat.
Some pilots are to cowardly to miss a commute to make sure someone is tended too. It's all technique I suppose.

I see your point, but it's a judgement call. If it's something the other guy can handle and he doesn't mind doing it, bail.


Shart an engine and have paperwork only a CA can handle? That's a different story.

 

[falconvalley]

Had a self-described "new" FO at another carrier not mentioned that he was "volunteering" to take the jumpseat for someone, and properly requested the jumpseat, I might have not realized that one of my company's FOs, who was sitting nearly out of sight in the gate area, had been brushed aside by a rude agent, who was helping her buddy crewmember get a seat in the cabin. I'm sad to say that I'm glad the dude did it wrong, because it prompted me to take a closer look and walk the agent through the proper order of things. Educated the newbie in the jetway. Educated the agent, who really needed to be scolded. And then, to top it off, find out the company FO was jumpseating home to take his sick kid to the doctor and the crewmember who he almost bumped (who got a seat anyway) had the guts to say "REALLY" to him when they got on. I had to mention that I was the evil linebacker, not him. They were like "are you sore at me?" Nope, everyone got where they needed to go today, but more work had to be done because you were a prick about it. Buh bye!