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Well that post by gtnbzy would have a lot more credability if it wasn't his first post ever. The school have in the past paid current students to say nice things about them here on Jetcareers. Remember the lovely Catherine? Call me a cynic but the guy is just to loved up on the Aviator for a first post. I think that our old friend Mike Cohen is up to his dirty old tricks again.

Mike, I know what you're up to!
 
gtnbzy said:
hey man, i'm currently flying for my instructor ratings at the school and have some comments. i'm not here to bash the other gentlemen who have given their input, nor am i here to bash the school. i'm a guy who has been to 2 other flight schools in addition to ari and would like to give you my two cents. any flight school you go to is going to have "challenges" and people are going to give the school up the road. i went to flight safety and could give you many stories. guess what, if i had enough money to finish, then i would have finished there. the school still had a "bring in the masses and fire their asses" take on things. i then went to pari air to finish my instrument and commercial ratings. guess what, paris is a great school and would endorse them, but they aren't perfect either. now i'm at ari, and you wouldn't believe what i have found, it's not perfect. i feel as though i was very fortunate to have some great ground school from the chief pilot and learned tons. as a matter of fact, it's pretty cool to be hanging around the school and talk to a couple of key people to get answers from regarding "how to fly an airplane". the airplanes are old, and they aren't even in production anymore. does that mean that you can't learn to fly a multi engine airplane? no. dude, the maintanance, i feel, is great and don't have a problem flying the airplane anytime. do i have anyone spoon feeding me with ground schools and book knowledge? no. i am a proactive person. i'm not in the military, and please anyone who is reading this and in the military don't take this the wrong way, and don't have someone telling me what to do from the time i wake up till the time i go to bed. dude, it's not a perfect school, but nor was the other two schools i went to. if you are looking for a reason not to go there, then don't go. i'm don't to be harsh, but we don't need someone with a negative attitude down there. if everything was easy, then everybody would be going there. if you think i'm full of crap, go over to r.a.a. next door. they charge more money, and people don't even come to the front desk when you are there for a school tour. there was a guy in his office looking at me and never asked what i wanted. i love the school, i love the airplanes, and i love the training. i can't wait to instruct there cause i'm going to have a lot of multi engine time.
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How much did that post cost Mike? :panic:

Mike, if your lawyers at going to send me an another letter let me give you my crashpad address so I get it.
 
Shore Fly is right about the ground training. All of the airline training and 135 stuff that I've had involved formal ground. Don't underestimate the importance of it and don't expect to get it at the Slaviator.
 
Florida_Flyer said:
Well that post by gtnbzy would have a lot more credability if it wasn't his first post ever. The school have in the past paid current students to say nice things about them here on Jetcareers. Remember the lovely Catherine? Call me a cynic but the guy is just to loved up on the Aviator for a first post. I think that our old friend Mike Cohen is up to his dirty old tricks again.

Mike, I know what you're up to!
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yeah, that would be the case wouldn't it? i only wish i were paid to say that cause the wife would love me bringing in money to pay the mortgage. i can see both sides of the fence for the pros and cons, but i don't mind having to go find the answer myself. today, i just happened to see all the posts so thought i would put my crap in there. sorry you haven't seen me before, and to be honest, you probably won't see to much more after today. i've got a checkride to take care of. i understand that if hobbs isn't turning, then the instructor isn't paying any attention to the student. there are plenty of times when the instructors aren't doing anything during the day and would love to sit down with a student for ground. here's the kick in the pants: my instructors at flight safety would look at their watch when they saw me walking in the flight line building and would start charging me for ground. it took me a couple of times to figure out what was going on, i'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer, but once i did figure out what;s going on i had to stop that crap. they will stick it to you if you let them. that's why i said there are no perfect flying academies. i do respect your opinion. thank you.
 
Gonzo said:
How much did that post cost Mike? :panic:

Mike, if your lawyers at going to send me an another letter let me give you my crashpad address so I get it.
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dude, he paid me so much that i'm going to pay my student loan and house note off. ain't it fun?
 
L-16B said:
The Saab is Mr. Colgan's pride and joy. 10 q's, about 50 Saab's. I was hired on the Saab, and got switched over to my dislike. Not a bad plane, but it makes you feel like a computer programmer, not a pilot.
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Oh yeah that’s right the “Q” was a loophole around main-line’s (Continental’s) Scope to staff low paid regional pilots to fly bigger aircraft.
 
Cactus_Cutter said:
Oh yeah that’s right the “Q” was a loophole around main-line’s (Continental’s) Scope to staff low paid regional pilots to fly bigger aircraft.
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Come on man, you guys aren't making that much more to fly ERJ's and you know it. We're all dirty scum sucking bottom feeders at the regionals. Just admit it.
 
For those not in the know, EFT was a school that "hired" Aviator planes and approvals to train Euro guys. I heard that the European training approvals had been lost. I think that the guys operating the school lost interest after the fatal accident to their student caused by a systems failure. Both guys moved to airline jobs. The tall dude went to Miami Air on the 737, nice! This is going to hit Cohen hard. They were accounting for most of his single engine business and a lot of multi. With the struggling economy, I wonder how long Mike can keep the school going. They must be in an unstable financial state.

Holy Crap, why didn't she spend some of that money on Gastric Bypass?
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Well $100,000 can sure buy a few buffet lunches.....but I'm sure a long stretch in a Florida jail will be just as effective as the Gastric Bypass!

I found this link on another website that I sometimes read. Our old friend and very long term Aviator Student/Employee Commpilot76 has posted. Typical BS that Mike has told him to write. Shows you how worried Mike is:-

http://www.pprune.org/forums/profes...332865-eft-florida-latest-financial-news.htmlhttp://www.pprune.org/forums/professional-pilot-training-includes-ground-studies/

Speaking of Commpilot76. I checked out the other posts that he made on the other website. On 10th March 2006 he posts:-

P1 Cost Break down
Ok, I just got off the phone with a WONDERFULL lady named Mary, She just gave me a break down of the P1 program and informed me that they have not updated their website with the new information. for the 100 hour P1 program I will be the soul manipulator of the controlls and NOT safety pilot Under FAA rules a safety pilot can log pic but Under JAA you can not. So they quoted me a price for the 100 hours $10,912.19 and if i decided to only do 50 hours it was $5,854.48 so i think your math may have been a bit off or someone quoated you the wrong price.

So if i were you i would call them
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I know for a fact that Commpilot76 was working for Mike Cohen at the time. He was clearly posing as a student to try to win extra business for the school. This just shows you how unethical Commpilot76 is and how Ariben Aviator operates! Look at his other posts:-

http://www.pprune.org/forums/search.php?searchid=3502121
 
greaper007 said:
Yeah, the stage length of the Q isn't going to cut into very much 737 flying. Now the 145.....
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exactly. when i got done with q training I flew a 145 from Toronto to Houston. Most uncomfortable ride of my life. I hated it. When I hear expressjet pilots bitch about the Q doing their routes, I laugh. If they really want 30 to 60 min legs back, please by all means take them back. Their company will lose way more money. Not even practical in a 50 seat rj. Heck, I'm sure it's not profitable on the Q unless its full. All the express guys in my crashpad understand this, I dont understand why others dont.
 
From the airlines point of view most of these smaller RJ's were a big mistake. These things weigh as much as an ATR72 and almost as much as a Q400, but carry half the amount of "freight." It seemed like a good idea to buy hundreds of the things when fuel was cheap but now the game has changed the RJ's and their pilots will be parked.

Personally, I think the Q400 is just as third world to ride in as the ERJ and passengers hate props. That noise attenuation just doesn't work does it? Still, Colgan will find homes for the Q's soon enough. But will the public want to fly when the gear starts to fail like with SAS and ANA?
 
Florida_Flyer said:
From the airlines point of view most of these smaller RJ's were a big mistake. These things weigh as much as an ATR72 and almost as much as a Q400, but carry half the amount of "freight." It seemed like a good idea to buy hundreds of the things when fuel was cheap but now the game has changed the RJ's and their pilots will be parked.

Personally, I think the Q400 is just as third world to ride in as the ERJ and passengers hate props. That noise attenuation just doesn't work does it? Still, Colgan will find homes for the Q's soon enough. But will the public want to fly when the gear starts to fail like with SAS and ANA?
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I can't really speak about the back, but up front its definitely quiter than an erj. I've never jumpseated on a crj so i can't speak for it. But during cruise i often switch to speaker. Gear was due to poor maintenance and corrosion, not even an issue. See Horizon
 
Gear was due to poor maintenance and corrosion, not even an issue. See Horizon
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Well, even by Aviator standards, Colgan does not have the greatest MX record. Just ask the families of those B1900 guys who died on a ferry flight. If SAS, can't maintain them, I'm sure Colgan will struggle. Horizon have had problems, I'm 100% sure from insider info.
 
Florida_Flyer said:
Well, even by Aviator standards, Colgan does not have the greatest MX record. Just ask the families of those B1900 guys who died on a ferry flight. If SAS, can't maintain them, I'm sure Colgan will struggle. Horizon have had problems, I'm 100% sure from insider info.
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horizon has never had any gear collapses. Faa requires corrosion inspections. im not worried about maintenance in the least bit. If something is going to kill me on that plane, its going to be computer related and we have Bombardier techs that work on the comp, not colgan. Sad story indeed about the 1900, I believe the trim was set wrong after being worked on?
 
The trim was installed upside down on the 1900. The pilots tried to trim up and the trim was going down. Flew right into the water.

I'm not entirely sure about the Q's problems but from everyone I talked to they were all related to one airline. They were all nose gear problems. Not really a huge deal in most cases. Not like some famous airliner problems that resulted in crashes (DC-10, ATR etc.)
 
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