Ari Ben Aviator

He really needs to get out of there, its been well over a year now.
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You're right, the Aviator is not a place for a talented career instructor. Mike Cohen, once told me that an instructor with 1000hrs+ is worthless to him and that it's guys with 500ish who are the best. With the market slowing down I'm sure Mike will be wanting to replace the guys on the $35,000 salary with some fresh, cheap meat. So if you're a career instructor go somewhere you're valued and don't be like Pierre and waste your career and life where you're not appreciated.
 
L-16B said:
Brian Bell reads it, cuz i get calls from him asking me to stop posting his name on here. But it's too funny not to, and pluse he could use the business. He really needs to get out of there, its been well over a year now.
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It has been a lot longer then one year, more like three years.
 
I was at FSA in Vero recently left because I cannot afford it any longer and am now a student down at FPR. Aviator is a POS. Witnessed one of there planes 2 weeks ago make an emergency landing because a flap fell off while a student was doing slowflight on a checkride and the plane rolled twice. Some of the DPE's in the area refuse to fly in any of there aircraft. I also heard the school was employing illegal immigrants to work there maintenance! Granted that is just word of mouth but I saw the plane come in without a flap myself. STAY AWAY PEOPLE!
 
So did the plane come back without one flap?
Flaps usually don't just fall off...shouldn't one be able to see a problem during the preflight already?
 
yes plane came back with one flap.... yea id like to think you can see a problem! That link is absolutely ridiculous... what a criminal. PEOPLE STAY AWAY TERRIBLE PLACE!!!!!!!!!!
 
Any background info on the rip off report, Florida Flyer?

Never heard about that case. How was it settled?

Suing the school because an examiner let him fail? If it is true...better to talk to the FAA.
 
Another interesting link (related)......
http://pilotadvice.com/flight-schools/ari-ben-aviator-inc
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Wed, 2007-09-05 00:15.

Ari ben Aviator and its owner, Michael Cohen took $9,000.00 from me. They did not provide the flight training I paid for. Their instructors had never seen an FAA 141 syllabus and had to study my text book which i bought on my paid flight time. Then, the syllabus was not followed.

Michael Cohen denied me student housing and required me to rent from his freind who made constant sexual advances to me, and I was afraid of being raped.

Ari Ben Aviator's flight examiners twice failed me because I happened to be a female (their exact words.)

Because of Ari Ben Aviator, I have no ratings and am unemployable due to two failed checkrides just because of my gender.

Incidently, Michael Cohen's attorney has been harassing me and I am truly afraid for my safety.
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Unemployable because of two failed checkrides and the author's gender.

Hmm, I've flown with a lot of boys (civvie and military), some girls (civvie and military). Is there another gender that I'm leaving out here?

Not to shoot the messenger, but there's deeper underlying issues that go far beyond aviation.

Sorry. For reals yo.
 
I don't like to call the letters from his attorneys harassing. I like to think I did something right when I get one in the mail.
 
It has been my experience that people who talk about suing don't really have a case. Those who do, take action and speak very little about it.


CLEVERK1 said:
Any background info on the rip off report, Florida Flyer?

Never heard about that case. How was it settled?

Suing the school because an examiner let him fail? If it is true...better to talk to the FAA.
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I was at the aviator as a student and an instructor and recently left for another job. I don't have any regrets about getting my certificates or working there. As far as the training goes there are some good instructors there I know people who started there and left for other schools and they haven't found that the quality of flight instruction was different. This pretty much what I have seen for myself, because you are going to have "time building" instructors everywhere not that they are always bad some of them are actually pretty good at what they do I was fortunate enough to fly mostly with some of the better ones. If you can find a place with a similar price to the aviator and with an experienced instructor by all means go for it especially if it is close to home. If you can't find that then the aviator is a good deal for the money especially compared to places like Panam, DCA and Flight Safety. I asked the previously mentioned examiner if he saw any difference in the quality of the students between Aviator and Flight Safety since he does checkrides for both and he said they all suck equally. People here are totally correct though when they say aviator students don't get a lot of ground instruction and that is because no one likes to work for free. I know I didn't give any more then the bare minimum, however I would go out of my way to answer questions about things they had already read about in the books but by far the most common one was "do I really need to know this" or that old chestnut "will this be on my checkride". Really you shouldn't need much ground instruction everything is spelled out for you in the PTS it even gives you the FAA publication where you can find the answers. More often then not when I sat down with a student to go over something they would insist that they did study it but wouldn't be familiar with any of it so I figure they are either illiterate or a liar. I think this is reflected in the checkride statistics too since it seems like a lot more people fail on the oral then on the flight. I'm willing to bet the students who wanted everything spoon fed to them are the same ones spreading all this dissension.

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I asked the previously mentioned examiner if he saw any difference in the quality of the students between Aviator and Flight Safety since he does checkrides for both and he said they all suck equally.
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FSA has in house DPE's. Most people who do it 61 went off the 141 because they couldnt hack it. Aviator sucks.
 
It always amazes me when someone puts an anonymous charge on an open website, some people take it as gospel truth.:banghead:

As a retired federal investigator, I need more than that to even begin taking it seriously. For all I know some unnamed person on this forum put it on there in a feeble attempt to justify his position.;)

Show me a Court citation, docket number, or some other proof that this person suing aviator actually exists. Court records are public record shouldn't be to hard to find.:D

As far as failing someone based on gender. If a formal complaint was made to the FAA they would, at the very least, suspend the privileges of the DPE in question until the matter was resolved. If the FAA takes one thing serious its sexual harassment. I'm pretty sure if a DPE did feel the need to do something like that, they wouldn't be stupid enough to tell the examinees that. It just to easy to fail someone for most any other reason.
 
It was common knowledge when I was there that one of the DPEs failed women. Of course, I don't beleive he'd say it! I know nothing about the poor girl in question, but the rest of the alegations do fit with the typical behaviour of the school towards their customers.

I heard about the flap incident as well, and I've been looking for the NTSB report, but I can't find anything.
 
I asked a DPE about aviator students compared with other local schools several years ago and he said they were actually quite well prepared in his opinion. He mentioned his disdain for self-examining places like FSA. "It's like the damn foxes watching the henhouse!" were his exact words. Of course, that was just his opinion.

JHoffy8 said:
FSA has in house DPE's. Most people who do it 61 went off the 141 because they couldnt hack it. Aviator sucks.
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vabantha said:
I asked a DPE about aviator students compared with other local schools several years ago and he said they were actually quite well prepared in his opinion. He mentioned his disdain for self-examining places like FSA. "It's like the damn foxes watching the henhouse!" were his exact words. Of course, that was just his opinion.
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Can you PM me the name of the DPE. Because two out of the three DPE's the Aviator uses do work for FSA and openly talk about how the Aviator needed a lot of work to get to the level of FSA. The last one BB is no fan of the Aviator.
 
JHoffy8 said:
FSA has in house DPE's. Most people who do it 61 went off the 141 because they couldnt hack it. Aviator sucks.
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Couldn't hack it? You think a 141 course produces a better result? Ridiculous. I suppose you're doing it 141 and that's why you say that.
 
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