Ameriflight

Isn't this perfect for AMF? you hire a 700hr pilot. Get him to 1200. The pilot can't bail at 1500hrs because of the exemption So now he has to sit in a 99 for a year to get his atp time.
 
Inverted said:
Can you post the official notice?

Why does it, or how does it not count towards ATP mins per the regs? AMF just loves shooting themselves in both feet.
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From the email sent to the company:

"There have been a lot of questions about logging time as an Ameriflight second in command (SIC). Ameriflight has a exemption (9770D) that allows a pilot to log SIC time, this exemption is an exemption to FAR 61.51 (F) (2) which reads:

FAR 61.51 (F) (2)
(f) Logging second-in-command flight time. Aperson may log second-in-command time only for that flight time during which that person:
(1) Is qualified in accordance with the second-in-command requirements of § 61.55 of this part, and occupies a crewmemberstation in an aircraft that requires more than one pilot by theaircraft's type certificate; or
(2) Holds the appropriate category, class, and instrumentrating(if an instrumentrating is required for the flight) for the aircraftbeing flown, and more than one pilot is required under the type certification of the aircraft or the regulations under which the flight is being conducted.

Exemption 9770D
There is one paragraph in the exemption that limits flight time logged as SIC. The time logged under this exemption cannot be used to gain an additional rating or certificate including the ATP. (see page two (2) paragraph one (1) under conditions and limitations of the exemption document attached). This exemption applies to all first officers at Ameriflight except those assigned to the EMB 120.

What does this mean?

If you as are assigned as a first officer in any Ameriflight aircraft except the EMB 120, the time you log is SIC time. It counts towards your total time but cannot be used for the hours required to gain an ATP certificate.
I hope this information clears up any questions regarding the subject, please fell free to send me a note if you have any further questions.

Thanks"

Clarified by the D.O. for all.
 
What? How does that work?

It doesn't make any difference to me now, but how about an LOI from the FAA about SIC time not counting as total time towards an ATP instead of one from the DO.
 
A bit of necrophilia for this thread...
Need info if anybody has it on Home Basing. Is it working for you? The company sticking to it?
Why are so many people failing out of class? No speakie Engrish? Not able to keep the dirty side down? What gives?
That being said, not interested in hearing about how crappy the airplanes are, the mtx or how that one station manager tried to get you in their car.
 
BajtheJino said:
A bit of necrophilia for this thread...
Need info if anybody has it on Home Basing. Is it working for you? The company sticking to it?
Why are so many people failing out of class? No speakie Engrish? Not able to keep the dirty side down? What gives?
That being said, not interested in hearing about how crappy the airplanes are, the mtx or how that one station manager tried to get you in their car.
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I know some people who are home based. If you're cool with being away from home for up to 3 weeks at a time I guess it's alright. As for the training....I can give a little insight on this as I was a PA31 line training captain for some of my time there. Due to the pilot shortage and current job market, AMF has been as of late getting the bottom of the barrel of what's out there...especially on the PA31 end since they've shifted mostly towards direct hiring into the 99, so the bottom line is that they get a lot of people who simply cannot fly basic instrument procedures very well with the basic equipment that those airplanes have. Even simple tasks like flying a victor airway confused the heck out of some of these people...so not really the type of pilot I or most others wanted out flying the line and potentially getting themselves killed. That being said, AMF could stand to simplify some of its procedures to give some of these people more rope to hang on to. They have a way at making relatively simple airplanes like the PA31 and 99 akin to operating the space shuttle. As for MX....let's just say that's one of the main reason I decided to leave for an AIr Ambulance job vs. taking the home based Metro position I could have taken and made more money doing so. When your last three months with a company included 2 instances of electrical smoke in 99's, pumping gear down in a 31, 2 turbocharger failures in 31's, weird electrical trouble in a 99 (one of the dual buses giving out..it looked like the panel had a stroke) and finally on my last day on the line a catostrophic engine failure on climbout in a 31 that was the result of cylinder failure......ummmm....I think that kinda speaks for itself.
 
BajtheJino said:
Hey thanks for the info. I kinda thought that 2 weeks on/off sounded too good to be true. A recruiter has been blowing much smoke up me arse.
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Blowing smoke up arse's is recruiting's main job lol Regardless of what company. What are your times etc? I reccomend AMF to people with 135 mins looking to cut their teeth or others who don't wish to join the airlines who are looking to step up from instructing etc....but for others...meh...there's better stuff out there right now.
 
Btw, speaking of 2 weekson, 2 weeks off....I currently work such a schedule at my current job. I like it so far. If AMF could ever get their staffing to a level that allowed them to actually provide most of the home based peeps with such a schedule, then that could be a selling point to work in their favor.
 
Actually, two on, two off, would be a great idea. You'd get people who have left the biz and just want to live in Lewistown, ID (or name your little rural town in the NW) to come out of the woodwork and see the possibility of flying for a living again. 10 days a month. Live in Omak. It's somebody's dream job.
 
BajtheJino said:
Hey thanks for the info. I kinda thought that 2 weeks on/off sounded too good to be true. A recruiter has been blowing much smoke up me arse.
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The company has no union so you have zero protection. They can just keep you on the road indefinitely if they really wanted to. For the based pilots, we routinely got sent TDY with no date to go home in sight.
 
Boris Badenov said:
We're trying to get a pay scale, but as of now it's still a "case by case" kind of place. I think it's probably safe to figure "in the vicinity of" low 80s for C/A and low 50s for F/O, but it's a dynamic market at the moment, those numbers could be out of date in either direction tomorrow.
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Damn I thought it was higher than that. Pretty hardcore pay given the schedule.
 
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