Ameriflight

Inverted said:
Damn I thought it was higher than that. Pretty hardcore pay given the schedule.
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I envision those numbers going up in the near future, but my crystal ball has a reputation for being cracked. As to the schedule, in the eye of the beholder I suppose. I find 12/10 just about perfect. It would definitely be appreciated if they would put the Hawker on 12/10 instead of 12/8...I believe the current line is "when we're fully staffed...", but we've all heard that one before.
 
Inverted said:
The company has no union so you have zero protection. They can just keep you on the road indefinitely if they really wanted to. For the based pilots, we routinely got sent TDY with no date to go home in sight.
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I can honestly say that if it was a Union shop, I wouldn't even entertain the idea of working there.
But if I do work there (I finally got someone to tell me the schedule is 18/12) when its time to go home, I'll go home. Can't leave the little lady guarding the homestead by herself forever. And if they're remotely sensible they won't treat what few pilots they have working, and are willing to work there, like we need them more than they need us.
 
BajtheJino said:
I can honestly say that if it was a Union shop, I wouldn't even entertain the idea of working there.
But if I do work there (I finally got someone to tell me the schedule is 18/12) when its time to go home, I'll go home. Can't leave the little lady guarding the homestead by herself forever. And if they're remotely sensible they won't treat what few pilots they have working, and are willing to work there, like we need them more than they need us.
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Yea good luck with that. You'll learn...
 
I learned a long time ago if you don't stand up for yourself and all that jazz. Not my first rodeo. I don't let people treat me like sht.
 
HAHAHA Let me know how that works out for you.
Then when you're on the street looking for a job have fun telling potential employers why you left.
 
Inverted said:
The company has no union so you have zero protection. They can just keep you on the road indefinitely if they really wanted to. For the based pilots, we routinely got sent TDY with no date to go home in sight.
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They tried to extend my TDY assignment up in PDX up to my very last day with the company. I pretty much told them to go pound sand.
 
DE727UPS said:
Actually, two on, two off, would be a great idea. You'd get people who have left the biz and just want to live in Lewistown, ID (or name your little rural town in the NW) to come out of the woodwork and see the possibility of flying for a living again. 10 days a month. Live in Omak. It's somebody's dream job.
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I've done both those runs at ameriflight. I can tell you that nobody would ever consider living in Omak or Lewiston as a "dream". On the plus side though that best western in Omak is pretty dang sweet!
 
BajtheJino said:
Yes. I think he is. I'm totally feeling the buuuuuurn. You know. Since I'm gonna be on the street looking for work. Because I won't be able to find a job.
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Yeah I told AMF to pound sand and then promptly voted with my feet. I'm doing just fine without them.
 
BajtheJino said:
NO WAY. Have fun telling potential employers that you're an adult that values your family and time.
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The question is, why go to a company where you'll know you will have to do that? It is like walking into a bar looking for a fight...

Every single one of us that left AMF voted with our feet. We are merely cautioning you that everything on paper is not set in stone.
 
Inverted said:
The question is, why go to a company where you'll know you will have to do that? It is like walking into a bar looking for a fight...

Every single one of us that left AMF voted with our feet. We are merely cautioning you that everything on paper is not set in stone.
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And I'm saying that if I go to work there, I will take their bonus money, take their type rating, and when and if I feel that its no longer worth it I will go to the house. I hear what you're saying. But hear what I'm saying. No one has pissed in my Cheerios yet. When I see the zipper come down and see the golden shower coming down and soaking my honey nut goodness I'm prepared to do what's best for me. That's all buddy. Worst case I'll go back overseas and work 5 months and come home and ride motorcycles.
 
BajtheJino said:
And I'm saying that if I go to work there, I will take their bonus money, take their type rating, and when and if I feel that its no longer worth it I will go to the house. I hear what you're saying. But hear what I'm saying. No one has pissed in my Cheerios yet. When I see the zipper come down and see the golden shower coming down and soaking my honey nut goodness I'm prepared to do what's best for me. That's all buddy. Worst case I'll go back overseas and work 5 months and come home and ride motorcycles.
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Good to be proactive and try and read the tea (or pee) leaves. When just the tip emerges and points in your general direction you can be pretty sure there's more to come. I've waited too long to walk in several jobs and regretted it, but the warning signs are always there.
 
Inverted said:
Hmmmm ok then.
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But what I'm thinking is, why do people stay? And they do stay. Was talking to a guy that has been there a while and loves it. Some people love to be tied up and whipped with a racquetball in their mouth. And I've seen some of those S&M babes. It's not what I'd do with them. Then again, I did the 121 people thing and absolutely hated it. With every fiber of my body. I love the bush (different kind of people than the 121). I love the boxes. It's my racquetball.
 
BajtheJino said:
I can honestly say that if it was a Union shop, I wouldn't even entertain the idea of working there.
But if I do work there (I finally got someone to tell me the schedule is 18/12) when its time to go home, I'll go home. Can't leave the little lady guarding the homestead by herself forever. And if they're remotely sensible they won't treat what few pilots they have working, and are willing to work there, like we need them more than they need us.
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See, this is where you've got it wrong. ;-)

A150K said:
They tried to extend my TDY assignment up in PDX up to my very last day with the company. I pretty much told them to go pound sand.
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That's really good for you, but let me let you in on a little secret...these are the glory days right now where you can do this. This (at least for my short career thus far) is totally abnormal. I've always done what I've thought was "right and/or appropriate" in the cockpit, and used have a pretty high amount of "git-er-dun" (any more I'm too lazy to try too hard) but some of us on here started our careers during a time period where you had to have a damn good reason why you didn't fly. I didn't fly for Amflight, but I flew UPS boxes, and freight, and in the middle of the recession it was "you do what you are told or you don't work." It was never that obviously stated, but guys would get washed out of some program, or let go for some other BS, because hey, there was a stack of desperate wannabes ready to jump in and do the job. Guys would get passed over for upgrade, or (up north) simply not kept on after the summer, or whatever. The list goes on and on, but when operators had the opportunity to, they wouldn't tolerate a "no."

Not all operators are like this - but you should definitely remember that businesses are like little countries. Sure there are benevolent dictatorships, but there are a lot of despots out there too - personally, if I was picking countries to live in, I'd rather live in the one where the people had a bit of say. That's generally why I've tried to work for small businesses with good owners - if the owners are the right people, you can go to them and say, "this is BS, I won't do it," and they'll back you - but they're still the "king" while you're at work, and if you cause too much trouble and the king can do without you, he will.
 
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