Ameriflight

KLB said:
Six year guy chiming in...

Actually flyboy has a point. There is a lot of reasons I'm still here. I started out in the chieftain my first year and made 35 grand. The most I've made so far is 65 grand flying the metro. I've never been furloughed. I have weekends off. My wife likes me home every night. I've made more than my friends that have been at the regionals six years and are still on fo pay. Ive bought a really nice home on my current pay. I had an interview a while back at another place but was beat out by someone who was a bit more experienced than me. Actually amf works out a little better than that gig would have. I will be looking to move on in the future but this gig is working out good for me right now. Did I mention I only have a three day work week?
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Good for you that you found a cushy spot. It is hard to find. I don't know how you made 35k in the Chieftain but nobody is making that now. No more 10 unit runs, unless you constantly have a student but even then that is a stretch. I won't ask you what you make on average but I am surprised to hear you have pulled in 65k. It is almost like the guys that have been around a while are on a different pay scale. 3 days a week kicks ass too.
 
NewYorkophile said:
Wait...so you applied, got an offer for a bigger aircraft, and now you're dogging the company?
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Here are the facts:

No pay during ground school.
$8/hr pay during flight training.
$28,000/yr after training.
$5000/one year contract for training
Jump seat with Southwest only.
Standard 401K program.

I was not willing to accept the offer. I'm sure thousands of others will be. Sheri is good stuff. How her bosses pay pilots... not so much.
 
brian434 said:
Here are the facts:

No pay during ground school.
$8/hr pay during flight training.
$28,000/yr after training.
$5000/one year contract for training
Jump seat with Southwest only.
Standard 401K program.

I was not willing to accept the offer. I'm sure thousands of others will be. Sheri is good stuff. How her bosses pay pilots... not so much.
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Well, there aren't thousands lining up anymore now that the 121 world is doing ok. Hopefully those numbers change.
 
Inverted said:
Good for you that you found a cushy spot. It is hard to find. I don't know how you made 35k in the Chieftain but nobody is making that now. No more 10 unit runs, unless you constantly have a student but even then that is a stretch. I won't ask you what you make on average but I am surprised to hear you have pulled in 65k. It is almost like the guys that have been around a while are on a different pay scale. 3 days a week kicks ass too.
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Making 65k in the Metro was possible with charters, Training Captain, Check Airman, and Sim instructor for me.
 
Inverted said:
Well, there aren't thousands lining up anymore now that the 121 world is doing ok. Hopefully those numbers change.
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With the new flight time requirements coming down he pipe guys are going to have to get their 1,500 TT somehow if they don't want to instruct. Not everyone wants to go the 121 route.
 
I agree, but with the rule about 135 time possibly not counting towards that rule will severely hurt companies like AMF.
 
Inverted said:
I agree, but with the rule about 135 time possibly not counting towards that rule will severely hurt companies like AMF.
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If it gets through like that than the D.C. lawmakers are dumber than once thought. The lobby groups for the airlines know they're going to need pilots, Part 135 time sounds a lot better than Part 91 or 141 time.
 
Inverted said:
I agree, but with the rule about 135 time possibly not counting towards that rule will severely hurt companies like AMF.
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Um. What? You talking about that potential requirement of 1000 hours as an SIC to becoming a PIC at a 121 carrier?
 
KLB said:
Six year guy chiming in...

Actually flyboy has a point. There is a lot of reasons I'm still here. I started out in the chieftain my first year and made 35 grand. The most I've made so far is 65 grand flying the metro. I've never been furloughed. I have weekends off. My wife likes me home every night. I've made more than my friends that have been at the regionals six years and are still on fo pay. Ive bought a really nice home on my current pay. I had an interview a while back at another place but was beat out by someone who was a bit more experienced than me. Actually amf works out a little better than that gig would have. I will be looking to move on in the future but this gig is working out good for me right now. Did I mention I only have a three day work week?
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I am sincerely happy you have enjoyed ameriflight, but please don't pretend like any of what you posted is normal or could be attained by joe blow applicant. You will make 28k first year in the chieftain. You will work five or more days a week with crappy work rules. And depending on your base, you'll like or be be militant against "the company". Portland guys don't put up with as mush bs, amazingly they like The job more and stay longer, what a concept. Probably should can mike though, that guy has pilots sticking around. Oh wait they tried that.
 
eightballfreight said:
I am sincerely happy you have enjoyed ameriflight, but please don't pretend like any of what you posted is normal or could be attained by joe blow applicant. You will make 28k first year in the chieftain. You will work five or more days a week with crappy work rules. And depending on your base, you'll like or be be militant against "the company". Portland guys don't put up with as mush bs, amazingly they like The job more and stay longer, what a concept. Probably should can mike though, that guy has pilots sticking around. Oh wait they tried that.
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It could be attained. I'm just a plain old line pilot myself. Not even a training captain. If we're training as many pilots as we are why not ask to be a training captain? That could easily be obtained. You could easily break 35 grand doing that. Just about anyone who did halfway decent in training could be one.
 
Anyone have any idea on how long it typically runs from initial contact to getting a phone interview set up? I spoke with Sheri last week and I'm just waiting to hear back on when I'll have the phone interview.
 
Maurus said:
Um. What? You talking about that potential requirement of 1000 hours as an SIC to becoming a PIC at a 121 carrier?
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I am talking about the possibility of non-passenger 135 time not counting towards the 1500 hours needed for the 1500 hour rule.
 
z987k said:
What? What on earth does having pax in the back have to do with how an airplane flies?
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Was there not a clause in the new 1500 hour rule that non-passenger 135 time would not count towards it? I am sure I am wrong but I thought I read that a long time ago.
 
Inverted said:
Was there not a clause in the new 1500 hour rule that non-passenger 135 time would not count towards it? I am sure I am wrong but I thought I read that a long time ago.
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I don't know to be honest. I never read it. I could care less except to laugh at stupid things.
 
Or something like a 135 ATP not counting as a 121 ATP, there was something weird I read a while back I know it...
 
Inverted said:
Or something like a 135 ATP not counting as a 121 ATP, there was something weird I read a while back I know it...
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I think the only thing in there about 121 was a requirement for so much 121 time prior to acting PIC of a 121 aircraft, which, would only effect street captains, no?
 
KLB said:
It could be attained. I'm just a plain old line pilot myself. Not even a training captain. If we're training as many pilots as we are why not ask to be a training captain? That could easily be obtained. You could easily break 35 grand doing that. Just about anyone who did halfway decent in training could be one.
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KB, when you made that 65K how many months were you home that year? I can't imagine it was much. From my time there, experience is great, pay is poor, however it can be improved greatly if you are willing to go TDY all the time. I was hardly able to get per-diem and was home 1.5 every week. However i did learn more in that year then i ever did flight training and would not trade that time for anything.
 
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