American Eagle Stuck mic

Time to call the FA and ask them to bring up some packets of crackers. Fresh pâté anyone?


Tower: "Eastern 702, cleared for takeoff"
Eastern 702: "Tower, Eastern 702 switching to departure...by the way as we lifted off we saw some kind of dead animal on the far end of the runway."
Tower: "National 63 cleared for takeoff...did you copy the report from Eastern?"
National 63: "Roger, Tower, cleared for takeoff... yes, we've already notified our caterers."
 
Au contraire. Tomahawks were designed specifically to be spin recovery trainers.

IMS, the problem with the Tomahawk was that some beancounters removed a few of the ribs in the wing after the initial design, rendering the wing insufficiently torsionally rigid. Basically (or so the theory goes), the wing would warp in a spin to the point that proper airflow couldn't be restored. This was (again, going on memory) pretty rapidly remedied by AD, but the damage to the reputation had been done. I span (spun?) a couple of T-hawks in my youth, and they pretty obviously didn't kill me (but don't look back at the tail during a stall, or you might die by heart attack as it waves at you). I admit that they get your attention a lot faster than a 152, though, which you pretty much have to poke in the eye with a sharp stick to get it to do anything even mildly untoward.

This reminds me...there was an old book called, IMS, Aftermath, which was a collection of columns of the same name by Peter Garrison in Flying (back before it was a giant glossy ad which you're somehow expected to pay for). I read that thing over and over again as a kid...think I might have busted the spine, ultimately. Anyone know where an old man could find a copy to strap to his walker?

Edit: Found it! Thank you, Internet.

http://www.amazon.com/Aftermath-Flying-Magazine/dp/083064282X
 
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IMS, the problem with the Tomahawk was that some beancounters removed a few of the ribs in the wing after the initial design, rendering the wing insufficiently torsionally rigid. Basically (or so the theory goes), the wing would warp in a spin to the point that proper airflow couldn't be restored. This was (again, going on memory) pretty rapidly remedied by AD, but the damage to the reputation had been done. I span (spun?) a couple of T-hawks in my youth, and they pretty obviously didn't kill me

I believe the Tomahawk has a hard limit of 11,000 hours on the wing. At that point they literally need to be removed and replaced with younger wings. There is an STC that I believe raises the number to 15,000.

While it sounds like a serious limit for a heavily used training aircraft, there are certainly other airplanes with the same type of limitations.

One thing that's interesting is everyone seems to think the Traumahawk is a spin killing monster, spins are prohibited, etc.... none of which is really true. Some interesting data from the AOPA article on spins:

The Piper PA-38 Tomahawk, designed specifically for flight instruction, including easier demonstration of spins, was involved in 50 stall/spin accidents from 1982 through 1990, for a rate of 3.28 per 100 aircraft in the fleet. During the same period, the Cessna 150/152 had 259 stall/spin accidents, for a rate of 1.31 per 100 aircraft, and the Beech 77 suffered only four such accidents, for a rate of 1.64 per 100 aircraft.

Tomahawks, therefore, were involved in roughly double the number of stall/spin accidents per 100 aircraft as the Cessna 150/152 or the Beech 77. These are raw numbers where the NTSB identified stall/spin as the primary causal factor.

An estimated 43 of the Tomahawk accidents occurred at a low altitude, where recovery, regardless of aircraft type, was unlikely. In many cases, the stall was the final event where an accident was already all-but-certain, such as buzzing, fuel exhaustion, or strong surface winds. In some cases, it was not clear from the narrative how high the aircraft was when the stall or spin began. ASF was able to identify nine PA-38 accidents in which the NTSB cited spin as a cause or a factor. The NTSB also coded one Beech 77 and 59 Cessna 150/1 52 accidents as spin-related. The accident narrative indicated that the aircraft was spinning. Bottom line - the Tomahawk is involved in proportionately more stall/spin accidents than comparable aircraft.

Does that make it unsafe? No, it only means that the PA38 must be flown precisely in accordance with the Pilot Operating Handbook and with instructors who are proficient in stalls and spin recovery in that aircraft ...​
 
Tower: "Eastern 702, cleared for takeoff"
Eastern 702: "Tower, Eastern 702 switching to departure...by the way as we lifted off we saw some kind of dead animal on the far end of the runway."
Tower: "National 63 cleared for takeoff...did you copy the report from Eastern?"
National 63: "Roger, Tower, cleared for takeoff... yes, we've already notified our caterers."

Careful with that one. It's an antique.


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i once had a stuck mic on a mid shift at ZAU, it was one of those stupid hand sets that had the mic button on the ear piece and if you set it down on the on the wrong side it would key the mic, which is what i did.now i only have one NW 727 on the freq and i was about 10 feet from the radar talking to a controller in another area about one of the ass hole supervisors we had and iam sure i dropped a few F bombs when the phone rang.it was GRR fire dept and the guy tells me that a "citizen" listening on the freq says that i may have a stuck mic which i look and yep! well NW didnt seem very pleased about it but too bad, they were a pain in the ass to work with anyways. just thank god there was no Youtube....... and all i think is who the hell lisitens to ATC at 2am ?
 
Some JC person who lives in a basement or in a van down by the river.

Don't post mean to her. DON'T POST MEAN TO HER! You're just jelly because they didn't let you fly the 757 simulator at NATCO.

(But I fly the actual... oh nevermind)
 
One of our CASAs has a push to PTT switch on the floor which I was unaware of. It must have been a comical conversation listening to me try to figure out why I was transmitting.
 
I got a stuck mic for around 5 minutes back when I was building my time for my commercial.

Thankfully, I was by myself.

Center probably got the laughs of their lives as I made darth vader noises in the unsquelched hot mic...
 
Another one during my commercial time building days was when I was flying my mom from TLH-LZU.

Some plane made a transmission, and their mic stuck. Then the dude continued on in his previous conversation on slamming this chick with big fake breasts the night before. I was 19 years old. My mom in my mind had no clue that I knew anything about sex.

I turned the volume down, and she leaned forward "wait, what were they saying??"

So.... awkward...
 
The real fun is when people try to check in with Oceanic over common.

"United 414, Santa Maria, here comes your SELCAL check... OOOOOOOOOO EEEEEEEEE..."

I was flying into EWR a few months back... I still had guard on 2 on short final. Some UA dude calls for mx on guard.

No guard nazi's jumped in, I certainly wasnt... and an immediate response came in:

"copy that ship xxxx, we'll be right out"


(pause)

....still no guard police? YES!!!


I can only assume they are still waiting for the mechanic. :D
 
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