All you aerobatics guys, I've got a question

Inverted said:
The S2C comes in 3 different configurations, dual cockpit, single, and open cockpit believe it or not. Bill Cornick has a single seat S2C.
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After looking I couldn't find any real specs differentiating the S2S, the S1-11B and the S2C, After looking at a few pics though the S2S looks just like a single seat S2C. Whats the difference? What kind of roll rate does the S2C have?
 
Pilotforhire587 said:
After looking I couldn't find any real specs differentiating the S2S, the S1-11B and the S2C, After looking at a few pics though the S2S looks just like a single seat S2C. Whats the difference? What kind of roll rate does the S2C have?
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Here is my buddy's S2S. From what I gather, it was both a certified factory built, and experimental single seat S2B.... From what I remember the S2B was not offered in different cockpit configurations like the S2C. I think Aviat decided to just combine all the different models and make the S2C a plane with a few different hats so to speak.

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The wings were different from the standard B wings. They were rounded but had longer ailerons and spades both top and bottom. He took the spades off because it was so roll sensitive. But yes 300 degrees a sec is probably a very close number.
 
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m having a hard time swallowing the $500k number. His plane is still mostly wood and fabric. Granted, I do believe his tail section is now made out of carbon fiber, that's still no where close to the amount of carbon fiber, titanium, and all the other "precious metals" and carbon fiber that come in a 540, or MX2 and they're not up over the $500k mark. Unless Steve Wolf charges an ungodly amount of money for his time and expertise, or he just gets away charging that much to one of the world's largest software companies, Oracle. I know he has nice products and mods and the guy is pretty smart, but come on... $500k for a single seat, wood and fabric airshow plane? There's not THAT much to that plane.
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Its not just the material that you have to figure into the price. It took his team over a year to design the airplane including building it, testing it, tearing it apart to make changes etc. If you search on youtube you can find a 10 minute piece of Sean talking about building the Challenger 2. In that 10 minute piece he said Oracle gave him a million dollar check to design, build and test that airplane.
 
I am sure his custom Lycon engine is close to 100k, and I bet he has 3 others in constant reserve...

Sean, and Ben Freelove are in our IAC chapter. Ben came and spoke about mastering snap rolls, when he did he talked about flying Sean's Challenger. Very interesting to hear what an odd airplane that is to fly.
 
There was a girl who worked for sean tucker ferrying airplanes from airshow to airshow. She had a website that she kept a blog on. In the blog she talked about how difficult the challenger was to fly. Almost to the point that it was dangerous. That thing is built to tumble and roll almost to a fault.
 
Inverted25 said:
There was a girl who worked for sean tucker ferrying airplanes from airshow to airshow. She had a website that she kept a blog on. In the blog she talked about how difficult the challenger was to fly. Almost to the point that it was dangerous. That thing is built to tumble and roll almost to a fault.
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I think that's Chelsea with Go Inverted. We were talking at the last Paso contest and she & Ben were saying the Challenger is set up to be divergent in pitch & roll. Lots of good stories!
 
That sounds like something Aviat would do. Instead of having to manufacture multiple ariplanes just build one that can do them all. I wonder in the single seat configuration, with less drag, if the S2C's performance would be equivelant to the that of the S2S.

Oh and, How do you make an airplane tumble?
 
Inverted25 said:
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Its not just the material that you have to figure into the price. It took his team over a year to design the airplane including building it, testing it, tearing it apart to make changes etc. If you search on youtube you can find a 10 minute piece of Sean talking about building the Challenger 2. In that 10 minute piece he said Oracle gave him a million dollar check to design, build and test that airplane.
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Anybody find the link to that vid? I can't seem to find it
 
Pilotforhire587 said:
That sounds like something Aviat would do. Instead of having to manufacture multiple ariplanes just build one that can do them all. I wonder in the single seat configuration, with less drag, if the S2C's performance would be equivelant to the that of the S2S.

Oh and, How do you make an airplane tumble?
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In the Pitts I pitch for a 45 upline, roll 90 degrees, then kick bottom rudder, forward elevator and a bit of opposite rudder. It does one ok then falls out of it.

The extra tumbles like a dream.
 
Get a Christen Eagle II, and do the Christen Eagle I conversion and put the IO-540 on the front of it, kinda like the Iron Eagle Aerobatic Team.

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maybe I'm a bit biased as I work with the team, but still they're some sexy lookin' planes!
 
Inverted said:
In the Pitts I pitch for a 45 upline, roll 90 degrees, then kick bottom rudder, forward elevator and a bit of opposite rudder. It does one ok then falls out of it.

The extra tumbles like a dream.
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Cool mybe one day I will get to try it, I guess with a couple conversions it wouldn't be hard to keep it in. But then I guess its not really a Pitts anymore. I wish Aviat would just incorperate some of the aftermarket mods into the original model, Maybe an S2D, and make an option for a larger engine.
 
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