Roger Roger
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That rumor has been floating around, seems pretty pie in the sky. The version I heard has it as -800s.
I thought I heard the P8 has EICAS? But probably yes
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///AMG
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It will fall apart without them, you know this!
I did poke my head into a P-8 once not too long ago, and the center console was definitely a bit different than the civilian NG. More radios and stuff because P-8 people are nerds.
Skåning
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FTFY
BEEF SUPREME
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VBROs on offer for FOs for every single base next bid. But don’t worry we aren’t overstaffed.
BEEF SUPREME
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Denial is probably the most powerful emotion. It creates some amazing stories. Rather that just acknowledging the truth. The NG line being brought back from the dustbin is more plausible than getting our MAX 10 orders now? The scary part is we need to get replacements from our highest cycle and time airframes the existing 700NGs. It’s also a ticking time bomb on the HAL side with the 717.
I never thought I’d be lock step with @Cherokee_Cruiser but here we are. I wouldn’t count on any growth for a few years. Not until the MAX 10 is certified or a suitable replacement is formally ordered with a delivery timetable.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
My 7-8 yr prediction is 0 Amazon and just Dreamliners and MAXes/NGs.
BEEF SUPREME
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That’s a lot of Airbii to park… 330 and 321 bonus 717.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
Doable. They’ve done it before. 73 Airbii gone.
Reserve4Ever
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Im not sure why anyone would think anything other than this would be the ultimate plan.
BEEF SUPREME
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Not counting for the augmented crews on the 330, if they do that. Thats a reduction of 994 pilots.
Your user name just might be prophetic.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
It’s September.
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
I’m not saying that. Minus the 330F, I suggest a case of a 1-for-1 replacement of 330 to 787.
BEEF SUPREME
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There are 24 330-200 at 14 pilots per aircraft that’s 336 pilots.
There are 18 321s at 14 pilots per aircraft that’s 252 pilots.
Not saying we are going to furlough nearly 500 pilots but your numbers mean we aren’t going to grow until we get nearly 50 additional aircraft.
We got 8 gross this year I think.
BobDDuck
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I have no idea where you are getting your numbers from. It would be odd to staff an augmented 330 the same way you'd staff an un augmented 321.
The 330 is at 18 pilots per plane (429) and the 321 is at 15 pilots per plane (280). That doesn't include pilots held in excess (management, LOA, ALPA, Mil Leave, etc).
I have no idea where you are getting your numbers from. It would be odd to staff an augmented 330 the same way you'd staff an un augmented 321.
The 330 is at 18 pilots per plane (429) and the 321 is at 15 pilots per plane (280). That doesn't include pilots held in excess (management, LOA, ALPA, Mil Leave, etc).
BEEF SUPREME
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My only point is that parking all the airbii means a lot of churn
Cherokee_Cruiser
Bronteroc
We’ve done this song and dance before.
///AMG
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Agreed. I got awarded an Aug VRBO. Also did IL earlier this year, and I'd much prefer that.
BEEF SUPREME
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We have offered VBROs to FOs in almost every base all summer
Heving been through a merger, it’s (a) cool watching this one from the outside and (2) entertaining to see people fight about what’s going to be.
A merger isn’t about building a better system and rationalizing the companies, the BOD is producing shareholder value for current and future investors. If it builds a better airline, it’s a welcome, but perhaps unintentional consequence.
My own was “You got debt, we got debt, if we band together we can renegotiate better terms with minimal market overlap so it’ll get approved. Luckily, we were off the heels of a hostile takeover so they were able to leverage that “Yay go TEAM!” spirit to build enough motive flow to launch off some speedbumps rather than be impeded by them like the USAir + AA + HP party.
Have fun, but getting regular peeks behind the curtain at my own airline, flight operations and their expectations are generally answered with a “Thank you for sharing, now go color”
A merger isn’t about building a better system and rationalizing the companies, the BOD is producing shareholder value for current and future investors. If it builds a better airline, it’s a welcome, but perhaps unintentional consequence.
My own was “You got debt, we got debt, if we band together we can renegotiate better terms with minimal market overlap so it’ll get approved. Luckily, we were off the heels of a hostile takeover so they were able to leverage that “Yay go TEAM!” spirit to build enough motive flow to launch off some speedbumps rather than be impeded by them like the USAir + AA + HP party.
Have fun, but getting regular peeks behind the curtain at my own airline, flight operations and their expectations are generally answered with a “Thank you for sharing, now go color”
///AMG
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I like that you were able to work "motive flow" into that. I haven't heard that term since F/A-18 ground school. There are hornet parts probably still somewhere in a yard in UTC in San Diego that have their roots of being there in "motive flow", or maybe lack thereof.