TUCKnTRUCK
That guy
To be 100% honest- imma huge fan of domestic CPDLC. So much easier.
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Roger Roger
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Same
KLB
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CPDLC should be a game changer at all those remote airports. But the entire system is lagging with the procedures to make it effective.
arkflyr
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We used to fly VFR out of TEB a lot when I started at Airnet back in '05. Turn north to the GWB, 1000' to the Alpine Tower then 2500' to the Tappan Zee and turn right to HFD/BDL. That was back when the Dalton and the VOR-A were still things there also.
I wouldn't try that in a biz jet, and my last job had us doing MMU-HPN/LGA and back to start and end trips.
TUCKnTRUCK
That guy
Cessnaflyer
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Where is that video?
KLB
Well-Known Member
It's trying to put it all together along with ADSB and having remote "towers". I can also see where having a shortage of controllers in playing a role in limiting it's progress. But hey! Our Transportation secretary got to spend the last 6 months driving across the US with his family though. So there's that....
KLB
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The hilarious thing is when they said that they were "too heavy to land". They could land. They would have just have had to land overweight and to do an overweight inspection for doing something dumb.
Cessnaflyer
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Ah this one, they took off on 32L due to APG requirements and the controllers told them only if they depart VFR. They had already picked up IFR on the ground.
I was wondering about this because a lot of the comments keep mentioning something about ground and tower not communicating but I feel like that's not really in the video, unless I missed something.
Cessnaflyer
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Yeah I think this was mostly on the controllers and a foreign crew not fully understanding the airspace environment with those three airports.
Have you ever flown out of a busy untowered airport on a good VFR day and tried to do an IFR departure with a tight void time?
All I’ll say is that I’ve had one facility in the country yell at me (and literally call me stupid) for an airborne IFR pickup and it’s where you work.
Life’s too short to be mad 110% of the time and yet every time I go somewhere served by NY approach they’re giving “ready to rage-quit” vibes. Maybe I just fly on the wrong days or maybe I fly a jet that can take bird strikes from behind?
NovemberEcho
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Sooo get your clearance on the ground but depart vfr? You can do that you know. Then activate it in the air. Just mention that to whom ever you got the clearance from and they’ll coordinate it. I don’t have time to read you a full route clearance to Kansas. People who do stuff like that do make me want to rage quit. There’s a time and a place for it and the NYC metro area ain’t it. When you get your clearance in the air here there is a whole lot more involved than just reading it to you. We have a lot of different gates and routes that you HAVE to be on and chances are you didht file the right one and have been flying the wrong way for the last 20 miles and now have to cut through 5 different arrivals and 4 different departures. I have to coordinate with the 4 different sectors you now have to fly through. And better hope there’s no in trails for your departure fix!
So if you want to act like you’re the only plane in the sky, so if somewhere that you are. Literally thousands of people fly into and out of NYC airports every day and 99.9% never have an issue . If you’ve had issues multiple times it may be time to start looking in the mirror.
Obviously none ofbthis applies for cases of VFR into VMC.
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I get that the job sucks. Bad airspace design, lots of traffic, lack of staffing, etc. And NYC sucks. Too many people too close together and everyone is upset about it. But again, never have I been someplace that likes to chew on pilots so much. Like, the airtime that was spent chewing on me for not picking up my clearance on the ground that infamous time (departing Lincoln park in a 206…not like I was doing 200 kts) was longer than the clearance. And yeah, I might not be the only plane in the sky but when I have a solid red blob of nope in front of me and I’m being asked if I’m afraid to get my plane wet…that doesn’t happen anywhere else in the lower 48. I wish the FAA would at a minimum bring back jumpseat rides, but I also think there needs to be some sort of job shadow process to keep facilities from falling into groupthink.
NovemberEcho
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N07 is literally one of the worst airports in the US to depart vfr from hoping for an IFR in the air
Hammertime
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Nope. Please stop. As the man said: This isn't the place to do that. I've flown through there the for many years. Those controllers are amazing. People that do what you are describing give GA a bad name. Not only are causing all of the issues that @NovemberEcho is describing, but in the meantime, a half dozen airliners are blowing through their arrival fixes, trying to check on while he is dealing with figuring out the clearance. If you need to get on CTAF, and coordinate, man up and do it, but don't make literally thousands of peoples lives harder because you can't be bothered.
milleR
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It's not. It's more about the release. The hope is that by departing VFR and grabbing the clearance in the air they can't hold your release because you're already airborne. But this really only works once you've worked clear of the congestions that's causing the delay in the release time.