Air Wagner

Murdoughnut said:
Right coast Jerry. At least left coast Jerry was still on the ground.

Also, do you have to be a dooshcanoe to fly a cabin class twin Cessna?


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I freaking hate people who don’t get their clearances on the ground. I don’t care if you depart vfr and activate it in the air later, but I ain’t reading you a full route clearance halfway across the country while you’ve been flying the wrong way from the first fix for the last 30 miles.
 
NovemberEcho said:
I freaking hate people who don’t get their clearances on the ground. I don’t care if you depart vfr and activate it in the air later, but I ain’t reading you a full route clearance halfway across the country while you’ve been flying the wrong way from the first fix for the last 30 miles.
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It's honestly a PITA to fly and copy a clearance at the sane time also. I'd much rather make the phone call (even though tracking down the phone number has gotten a lot more cumbersome than just calling up 1800wxbrief) and getting the clearance on the ground.
 
KLB said:
It's honestly a PITA to fly and copy a clearance at the sane time also. I'd much rather make the phone call (even though tracking down the phone number has gotten a lot more cumbersome than just calling up 1800wxbrief) and getting the clearance on the ground.
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Like it’s fine if you’re in parts of the US where you can generally expect direct or a fairly simple routing to a STAR. It is an entirely different story when trying to leave the most congested airspace in the world.
 
NovemberEcho said:
Like it’s fine if you’re in parts of the US where you can generally expect direct or a fairly simple routing to a STAR. It is an entirely different story when trying to leave the most congested airspace in the world.
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There are some corporate guys who try to take off and pick up the clearance in the air to avoid ATC delays. I am NOT one to attempt to do such things.
 
KLB said:
There are some corporate guys who try to take off and pick up the clearance in the air to avoid ATC delays. I am NOT one to attempt to do such things.
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We made it a rule to only pickup clearance on the ground. Way too many chances to screw up while trying to maintain VFR and going 300 knots.
 
KLB said:
There are some corporate guys who try to take off and pick up the clearance in the air to avoid ATC delays. I am NOT one to attempt to do such things.
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The video of the guy trying to do that out of BFI going to Greece in the Global is both hilarious and infuriating.
 
KLB said:
It's honestly a PITA to fly and copy a clearance at the sane time also. I'd much rather make the phone call (even though tracking down the phone number has gotten a lot more cumbersome than just calling up 1800wxbrief) and getting the clearance on the ground.
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Cumbersome? It’s in the AFD and easy to find in EFBs. Don’t have the same ease in your system? The direct phone call avoids the three-party triologue among you, FSS, and ATC. I thought the old way was much more cumbersome.
 
JordanD said:
The video of the guy trying to do that out of BFI going to Greece in the Global is both hilarious and infuriating.
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That was Vista Europe. 100% certain Vista forced them to do that under extreme pressure knowing them how I know them. That whole "just do it and we'll deal with the fallout later..." I am surprised that they didn't have them fly VRF to Canada and pick up IFR from there.
 
MidlifeFlyer said:
Cumbersome? It’s in the AFD and easy to find in EFBs. Don’t have the same ease in your system? The direct phone call avoids the three-party triologue among you, FSS, and ATC. I thought the old way was much more cumbersome.
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You have to have the AFD downloaded from every region to make sure you're fully covered which takes up a lot of storage. Heck...flying corporate, you have to have decent cell coverage to even download the content. I prefer the 1 stop shop version honestly.
 
NovemberEcho said:
I’ve had them do that with really low ceilings and I’m too busy to give them their clearance. Enjoy scud running in your Challenger I guess.
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One day, back in the bad old days, things were really gummed up at TEB. End of the trip, and I was supposed to get the plane back to Massaholessets and go home. Knowing this, when I called in saying I had no idea when we would get out, but I'd, you know, do my best, the member of the graduating class of Pittsfield High School 2016 who was uh following-my-flight said "Oh well just go VFR, our old hands do it all of the time!" In New York. In what I remember as being MVFR. In a Falcon 50.

Sure, kid, I'll just get out my sectional and E6B, no problem!

The amusing thing is I'm sure he wasn't making it up, there probably are a couple of guys who do that regularly. And they probably don't get violated. Because...they do it regularly! I, however, was not that Committed to The Cause. I'll just have some Chex Mix and let you get to work on changing that airline ticket, my wee little friend.
 
NovemberEcho said:
I freaking hate people who don’t get their clearances on the ground. I don’t care if you depart vfr and activate it in the air later, but I ain’t reading you a full route clearance halfway across the country while you’ve been flying the wrong way from the first fix for the last 30 miles.
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CPDLC and we love it, but Washington screwed the pooch and can’t send route updates- so we hate them.

Insert, accept, activate. It’s awesome.

I hate Washington.
 
TUCKnTRUCK said:
CPDLC and we love it, but Washington screwed the pooch and can’t send route updates- so we hate them.

Insert, accept, activate. It’s awesome.

I hate Washington.
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All fun and games until there’s a vor in Mexico with the same identifier and the route update tries to take you there instead.
 
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